It's the same segment and same price There are a ton of ex German owners but you wouldn't know would you because you haven't been to the owners forum

 

Barely anyone knows what a G70 is. Even in so-cal I've barely seen any. I see far more G80s than G70s too. I think they botched the launch of the brand to be frank.

 

Those are probably Hyundai Genesis than G80s, cause the G70 handily outsells the G80. Brand cache and awareness mean nothing when the G80 sold better branded as a Hyundai than a Genesis. Hell, even the Stinger outsells the G70 despite being sold from Kia dealerships. It was the Genesis dealer fiasco that screwed everything up.

 

Which is still 10K more than Type S

 

G70 is over rated, massive hype by all the auto reviewers; however, it's biggest attribute is the fact that it's a bargain to compared to its competition. You'd think it would sell more with all the media praise. Lack of dealership network and or marketing isn't the reason why it doesn't sell well.

As far as Acura, just another irrelevant car being FWD biased, no amount of AWD will make it a great performance sedan. As much as I don't love the Stinger, I would get a GT2 RWD version instead of a FWD Acura.

 

I'd like to see you back up this empty claim. If you paid attention, you would know that motoring press were reviewing the G70 over a year before it hit dealerships due to delays.

By the way, the Audi S4 is FWD-biased too. I guess it's not a good-performing sedan then?

 

I guess Doug Demuro won you over

Honestly, they are giving really good deals on the M340 now. I haven't heard bad reliability issues with the G20 so it's the way to go especially with the B58 motor. It's not like Acura's reliability has been stellar lately. The Audi S4 redesign is also coming up so I'm sure it's going to get near that 400hp mark.

 

Last year, I nearly bought a TLX. But transmission and infotainment issues held me back. I found this car to be perfect otherwise at the time but now, with today's perspective, and the fact I have a GS, I wouldn't own a FWD-based car again. That said, if I had to, it would be an Acura sedan because since the 90s, they showed they could make cool FWD cars. And the new TLX has evolved in every way it needed: new transmission, new infotainment, better ELS sound system and more powerful engines. The V6 could still have been a bit more powerful though.

 

We're talking about CAD prices here.

 

Its a great gamble, and we`ll see if it pays off. Acura is more established of a brand then Genesis, but neither is keeping the folks up at night over at the big german rivals. I think the play here is to pull the strings of the Type S lovers. Its worked for the Civic Type R, and if the media blitz is strong enough Acura might have something to get folks into the showroom to get them out in a base TLX. Plus those leases need to be quite appealing.

 

A "ton" or maybe a dozen or two on the forum? That is not a big trend, I can find a dozen or so M3/AMG owners that bought Honda Accords on Honda forums, it doesn't mean a ton are doing it even though it seems like a lot on a forum. We are talking about TLX's, not M3's, AMG's, or Model 3's which are all much more expensive.

 

I really don't want to argue with you on this. I mentioned it because the Model 3 is a competitor (entry level lux/sports sedan) and the Performance version is $55k which comes fully loaded excluding the Full Self Drive package which is about the price of what the Type S is going to cost. The M340 is more expensive at $65k fully loaded but can be had for high $50k due to the dealers willing to negotiate right now. Also my claim was that German car owners, not M3 or AMGs specifically were very prevalent on Tesla forums. The number one car brand that switches to Tesla is BMW so yes, there are a ton of German brand owners that have switched.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...survey-2019-11

If you don't see them as a competitor, then fine, lets not discuss them.

 

S4 is superior to the Acura, in every metric, but neither car does anything for me and I have never owned an Audi. This is 2020, lack of dealership network and or marketing is not why the Genesis doesn't sell. It's the simple fact that people choose to opt for something else. G70 3.3T was the first car I test drove, with the internet these days you don't need marketing ads or dealership network to buy a car. My car was bought in TX and transported to FL; also if you're a car guy you do know what a Genesis is yet you don't see mass migration of us enthusiast going for a G70.

G70's can be had for very little money and still doesn't sell well, there's even people here buying the ancient 3IS over it still today.

 

You are correct on all except one point, M340I's now are not being discounted much due to lack of inventory, supply and demand. Check leasehackr, 7 series you can get a good deal but until inventory builds up, deals on the M340i now is hard to come by. Also, a loaded M340I with all options and the M Performance goodies will run you 69k plus lol.

It is true that BMW lost a good amount of former 3'er owners to the Tesla 3, not the Genesis G70 lol.

 

Not gonna argue but they were superb from the early 90s to 2003 at least