"Green terrorism" at GM
08-25-03, 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by EDGE2
Karmas a *****
Karmas a *****
Originally posted by EDGE2
watch someone in an H2 rearends lex400sc toyota, hey if H2 are Tahoes then
watch someone in an H2 rearends lex400sc toyota, hey if H2 are Tahoes then
Rearend me? Fine! That's good Karma when H2 homie's insurance goes up when they cut me a check for an SC300 5-speed and a SP57 turbo kit, LOL.
Originally posted by EDGE2
lex400sc is a freakin idiot, some organization set fire to someones property and this guy get excited, whats next they kill the saleman that sell them.
If you where not an ELF member why did you say you where not, thats the 1st thing a member says
lex400sc is a freakin idiot, some organization set fire to someones property and this guy get excited, whats next they kill the saleman that sell them.
If you where not an ELF member why did you say you where not, thats the 1st thing a member says
PS: 'excited' isn't a synonym for 'hilarious'
Originally posted by EDGE2
If you where not an ELF member why did you say you where not, thats the 1st thing a member says
If you where not an ELF member why did you say you where not, thats the 1st thing a member says
08-25-03, 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
But I DON'T agree with ELF, or lex400sc (surprise) on their actions/points. lex400sc - you may 'hate' the H2 (your word), but as 1Sick pointed out, why hate a vehicle, shouldn't you be hating the people who actually 'love' H2s? I'm sure you hate them also, but what about this being a free country? Hasn't the world got bigger problems than a few people owning H2's? Sure we can say it deepens our dependence on Middle East oil, but the number of H2's on the road is negligible. Owning an H2 *is* ridiculous, but it's not a national security problem. I hope we haven't lost our right to be ridiculous. Same could be said for driving an SC400 also.
How about this? Owning an H2 will increase the demand for Iraqi oil helping their reconstruction, so dammit, owning an H2 must be patriotic! (tongue firmly in cheek)
But I DON'T agree with ELF, or lex400sc (surprise) on their actions/points. lex400sc - you may 'hate' the H2 (your word), but as 1Sick pointed out, why hate a vehicle, shouldn't you be hating the people who actually 'love' H2s? I'm sure you hate them also, but what about this being a free country? Hasn't the world got bigger problems than a few people owning H2's? Sure we can say it deepens our dependence on Middle East oil, but the number of H2's on the road is negligible. Owning an H2 *is* ridiculous, but it's not a national security problem. I hope we haven't lost our right to be ridiculous. Same could be said for driving an SC400 also.
How about this? Owning an H2 will increase the demand for Iraqi oil helping their reconstruction, so dammit, owning an H2 must be patriotic! (tongue firmly in cheek)
Let me try and paint some context...I hate H2s like you probably hate NYWIZARD's car. Sure it's his and he can do what he wants with it, free country, but the mere fact that that car exists reflects poorly on you and your GS, no matter how tastefully modded. H2s reflect poorly on America because it's a gigantic waste machine. It wastes materials and energy all day and wears down public roads like crazy. I happen to care about the future of America, no matter how grim the outlook is, and I can tell you the H2 is a problem, not a solution. I have the same feelings of resentment for that car that you all do for NYWIZARD's GS. It's not to the extent that I would attack or destroy one intentionally, but I would lose all respect for someone I just met if I found out he/she actually bought and drove one. Hey, if you saw the NYWIZARD GS with "rice" spray-painted on it, you'd chuckle too
08-25-03, 12:57 AM
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I was so glad when Ford cancelled the Excursion, that was truly a beast.
Ya, the ELF got their message out, but the message is: "we're destructive tree-huggers who save the environment by burning plastic, oil, fabric, polymers, etc (H2) by burning trees (homes), and by causing more destruction." These destructive acts just cause more anymocity and closes peoples' ears to their message.
The ELF's beliefs about the environment and conservation are good concerns, it's just the methods they use that pisses people off.
Ya, the ELF got their message out, but the message is: "we're destructive tree-huggers who save the environment by burning plastic, oil, fabric, polymers, etc (H2) by burning trees (homes), and by causing more destruction." These destructive acts just cause more anymocity and closes peoples' ears to their message.
The ELF's beliefs about the environment and conservation are good concerns, it's just the methods they use that pisses people off.
08-25-03, 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by lex400sc
In Europe and Japan, vehicles are much smaller, lighter, more efficient, more reliable, hell the average engine size in Europe is 1.6 - 2.4 liters. Here it's like 4.0 liters and the goal is to get that 7.3 liter truck! Is that what we really need today in America when it's come to the point that we're sending off soldiers to other countries to bring us back more cheap oil?
In Europe and Japan, vehicles are much smaller, lighter, more efficient, more reliable, hell the average engine size in Europe is 1.6 - 2.4 liters. Here it's like 4.0 liters and the goal is to get that 7.3 liter truck! Is that what we really need today in America when it's come to the point that we're sending off soldiers to other countries to bring us back more cheap oil?
Let me try and paint some context...I hate H2s like you probably hate NYWIZARD's car. Sure it's his and he can do what he wants with it, free country, but the mere fact that that car exists reflects poorly on you and your GS, no matter how tastefully modded.
H2s reflect poorly on America because it's a gigantic waste machine. It wastes materials and energy all day and wears down public roads like crazy. I happen to care about the future of America, no matter how grim the outlook is, and I can tell you the H2 is a problem, not a solution.
Hey, if you saw the NYWIZARD GS with "rice" spray-painted on it, you'd chuckle too
08-25-03, 12:34 PM
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SUV rally
WEST COVINA, Calif. — Public officials, firefighters and Hummer fans rallied outside an auto dealership to denounce the unidentified vandals who did $1 million in damage as an environmental protest.
"We don't disagree with the need to improve fuel efficiency," said West Covina (search) City Councilman Mike Miller. "But vandalism doesn't get the message across."
About 25 members of a Southern California Hummer (search) fan club joined officials outside Clippinger Chevrolet for Sunday's rally. They toured the area where fires early Friday gutted a parts warehouse and destroyed 20 Hummer H2s. Another 20 Hummers and several Chevrolet Tahoes were significantly damaged by fire and spray-painting.
Three other dealers and at least four privately owned vehicles in the area also were damaged during the vandalism spree.
Miller said council members planned to meet with local auto dealers this week to discuss ways to improve security.
"We are concerned," said Josh Sage, a sales manager at Huntington Beach Chrysler Jeep and Hummer. The dealership moved its Hummers to a back lot and hired an extra security guard to patrol all night, he said.
The Earth Liberation Front (search), a loose association of militant environmentalists that has claimed responsibility for other acts of arson and vandalism, said in an unsigned e-mail Friday that the incidents were "ELF actions" but added it had not be in contact with those responsible.
Slogans such as "Fat, Lazy Americans" and "I (heart) pollution" were painted on vehicles.
"We don't disagree with the need to improve fuel efficiency," said West Covina (search) City Councilman Mike Miller. "But vandalism doesn't get the message across."
About 25 members of a Southern California Hummer (search) fan club joined officials outside Clippinger Chevrolet for Sunday's rally. They toured the area where fires early Friday gutted a parts warehouse and destroyed 20 Hummer H2s. Another 20 Hummers and several Chevrolet Tahoes were significantly damaged by fire and spray-painting.
Three other dealers and at least four privately owned vehicles in the area also were damaged during the vandalism spree.
Miller said council members planned to meet with local auto dealers this week to discuss ways to improve security.
"We are concerned," said Josh Sage, a sales manager at Huntington Beach Chrysler Jeep and Hummer. The dealership moved its Hummers to a back lot and hired an extra security guard to patrol all night, he said.
The Earth Liberation Front (search), a loose association of militant environmentalists that has claimed responsibility for other acts of arson and vandalism, said in an unsigned e-mail Friday that the incidents were "ELF actions" but added it had not be in contact with those responsible.
Slogans such as "Fat, Lazy Americans" and "I (heart) pollution" were painted on vehicles.
08-25-03, 06:01 PM
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I was merely making statements from both sides of the fence. Bit, thanks for correcting me I did not know that.
As stated, if u want to stop them from making them, stop people from buying them. Look at the Thunderbird, Blackwood, Prowler, Maurader, etc when they don't make money, they get tossed.
As stated, if u want to stop them from making them, stop people from buying them. Look at the Thunderbird, Blackwood, Prowler, Maurader, etc when they don't make money, they get tossed.
08-26-03, 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by lex400sc
You don't they they're making a difference? They got their message out to you didn't they???? Most people would have never heard of ELF if not for their attacks.
Gutless - would you prefer these ELF folk attack the dealerships while people were there? Would that make them tough and brave?
Mindless - would it be more mindful to stage this vandalism and arson in broad day light with employees, shoppers, bystanders, and of course law enforcement roaming about? Nice way to hurt people, impede your task, and get arrested! Right now they accomplished their mission successfully with zero casualties, and are scot free!
Unintelligent - like I said, their message was spread all across the newswire, the daily paper, and the internet, and reached millions more people than anything else they could have done. Which news agency would have covered a peaceful environmentalist march through Washington? Who would tune in? They did what worked best for them.
You don't they they're making a difference? They got their message out to you didn't they???? Most people would have never heard of ELF if not for their attacks.
Gutless - would you prefer these ELF folk attack the dealerships while people were there? Would that make them tough and brave?
Mindless - would it be more mindful to stage this vandalism and arson in broad day light with employees, shoppers, bystanders, and of course law enforcement roaming about? Nice way to hurt people, impede your task, and get arrested! Right now they accomplished their mission successfully with zero casualties, and are scot free!
Unintelligent - like I said, their message was spread all across the newswire, the daily paper, and the internet, and reached millions more people than anything else they could have done. Which news agency would have covered a peaceful environmentalist march through Washington? Who would tune in? They did what worked best for them.
The idea is to be creative enough to get your message across and simultaneously demonstrate that you have at least half a brain in your head.
Regardless of the press they received from this, they only end up looking like what they are - idiots.
It's called "mind your own F-ing business, Moonbeam Sunshine, part of being an American is the ability to love one's life the way one desires." That's what I would be telling these people.
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