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jrmckinley Aug 22, 2019 06:04 AM

The "brains" behind Tesla's self-driving tech
 
Pretty interesting article about Tesla's in-house chip technology. Tesla's in-house chip is 21 times faster than the older Nvidia model Tesla used. And each car's computer has two for safety.

https://www.cnet.com/news/meet-tesla...two-ai-brains/

bitkahuna Aug 22, 2019 09:01 AM

lots of big numbers thrown around in that article, but doesn't mean much. "21x faster" - how measured?


Each Tesla AI chip runs at 2GHz and performs 36 trillion operations per second.
36 trillion? that does not seem accurate.


For another, it's got an extremely limited set of instructions it can process.
that's the old 'RISC' idea (reduced instruction set computer) and while it makes the processor design simpler, it also means a LOT of execution of those instructions are used to do complex things sometimes negating the benefit of being able to do so many 'operations'. but cell phones and tablets use risc, and obviously it works great.


And it's got a gargantuan 32 megabytes of high-speed SRAM memory on the chip, which means it doesn't have to wait around while fetching data from much slower conventional DRAM memory.
32MB of cache is nice, but since cars stick around for a decade or more, you have to be somewhat ahead of the curve, especially if you're trying to do ambitious things like autonomy.

it IS true though that tesla now has a VAST amount of experience and DATA from their cars, which is improving every moment. this means they're YEARS ahead of other car makers who have 'dumb' not-connected vehicles, and thus almost no data.

i think other car makers are very scared of tesla, and rightfully so.

EZZ Aug 22, 2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 10594315)
lots of big numbers thrown around in that article, but doesn't mean much. "21x faster" - how measured?



36 trillion? that does not seem accurate.



that's the old 'RISC' idea (reduced instruction set computer) and while it makes the processor design simpler, it also means a LOT of execution of those instructions are used to do complex things sometimes negating the benefit of being able to do so many 'operations'. but cell phones and tablets use risc, and obviously it works great.



32MB of cache is nice, but since cars stick around for a decade or more, you have to be somewhat ahead of the curve, especially if you're trying to do ambitious things like autonomy.

it IS true though that tesla now has a VAST amount of experience and DATA from their cars, which is improving every moment. this means they're YEARS ahead of other car makers who have 'dumb' not-connected vehicles, and thus almost no data.

i think other car makers are very scared of tesla, and rightfully so.

I think Waymo currently is way ahead of everyone in the self driving department. Google's solution relies on Lidar so it looks goofy on the cars but it seems to work better than visual cues only that Tesla uses. I'm a Tesla fan but even i'm doubtful that any sort of self driving comes before 2025. By that point, who knows what happens...AI might evolve to the point that Skynet becomes self aware and we'd all be servants to the robot overlords...

Lend0 Aug 22, 2019 09:58 AM

So sophisticated yet they're building cars outside in a tent. What a joke of a company.

riredale Aug 22, 2019 10:04 AM

Big Whoop.

While I admire what SpaceX has accomplished, Musk seems to be a bit of a nutjob when it comes to promises not kept. And I wonder if the new Porsche will just clobber the Model S. It's getting a lot of positive press and supposedly 300K pre-purchase deposits to date.

EZZ Aug 22, 2019 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by riredale (Post 10594386)
Big Whoop.

While I admire what SpaceX has accomplished, Musk seems to be a bit of a nutjob when it comes to promises not kept. And I wonder if the new Porsche will just clobber the Model S. It's getting a lot of positive press and supposedly 300K pre-purchase deposits to date.

What do you mean clobber? Sales, performance, build quality? They are pretty different cars...one is a midsize sports sedan while the other is a full size 7 series fighter. The Model S will clobber it in straightline in Ludicrous while the Porsche will probably clobber it in handling and sustainable output. The Model S will get 350 miles of range while the Porsche will be around 225 miles. I bet the Porsche will have better build quality and interior though.

Hoovey689 Aug 22, 2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by riredale (Post 10594386)
Big Whoop.

While I admire what SpaceX has accomplished, Musk seems to be a bit of a nutjob when it comes to promises not kept. And I wonder if the new Porsche will just clobber the Model S. It's getting a lot of positive press and supposedly 300K pre-purchase deposits to date.

Think you added an extra 0 lol

https://thedriven.io/2019/07/31/pors...ted-for-debut/

jrmckinley Aug 22, 2019 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Lend0 (Post 10594379)
What a joke of a company.

Right. All they did was create the EV category, make non ICE cars attractive for the first time, enter into one of the most competitive industries in the world, build the fastest production car ever (beating Bugatti at 15x the price), create some of the safest vehicles on the planet, create a super charger network, challenge every other auto manufacturer to step up their game, and (through one of Musk's other "joke" companies) launch a Tesla into orbit. Total joke!

You'll own an EV at some point, maybe not a Tesla, but you should thank Tesla for the one you end up with. They're forcing the entire market to move and bring better product to the consumer. SMH.

bitkahuna Aug 22, 2019 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by riredale (Post 10594386)
and supposedly 300K pre-purchase (Taycan) deposits to date.

:uh:


Originally Posted by Hoovey2411 (Post 10594392)
Think you added an extra 0 lol

:thumbup:


Originally Posted by EZZ (Post 10594390)
They are pretty different cars...one is a midsize sports sedan while the other is a full size 7 series fighter.

uh, 7 series is almost a foot longer than a tesla s. 7 series WAAAAAAAAY more luxurious. they're not in the same universe.


The Model S will clobber it in straightline in Ludicrous while the Porsche will probably clobber it in handling and sustainable output. The Model S will get 350 miles of range while the Porsche will be around 225 miles. I bet the Porsche will have better build quality and interior though.
nice predictions, and you're probably right. as for 'clobbering' it in straight line, how often does one get the chance to do 0-60 in 3 seconds or less? also, that's so fast it's kinda boring because most people doing that are then immediately hitting the brakes to stop at the sign or light, or just coasting so they're not doing 100mph a couple of seconds later. it's all rather silly, but good for bragging rights. at least the feature is named correctly - 'ludicrous' :p

and there's this. :p
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...erience-2016-8

jrmckinley Aug 22, 2019 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by riredale (Post 10594386)
Big Whoop.

Well, Tesla took control of chip design in effort to deliver full autonomy soon. If they do that, thanks in part to these chips, it is a huge deal.

LeX2K Aug 22, 2019 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 10594433)

I hope you're posting this ironically. :)

It feels like you're being launched into orbit, basically. But that's an issue when you get right down to it. Because Ludicrous Mode isn't that great in practice, or at least in everyday practice. It's best enjoyed in moderation.

Going fast in a Ferrari never gets old because ... it's a Ferrari! But Ludicrous Mode in a Tesla is fun the first few times, and then you just don't want to go through he battening-down process that's required to get ready to fulfill your need for speed.
Someone (I assume) actually got paid to write that.

spwolf Aug 22, 2019 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 10594315)
lots of big numbers thrown around in that article, but doesn't mean much. "21x faster" - how measured?

Who knows... i remember all the promises around autonomous mode, it was supposed to be running fully last year right? And didnt they promise that they wont have to upgrade computers on cars produced from 11/2016, and they did it 2x already?

bitkahuna Aug 22, 2019 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Lexus2000 (Post 10594459)
I hope you're posting this ironically. :)

not at all. for many, and i mean MANY, the thrill of driving a FERRARI will never be outdone by an electric 4 door sedan, now matter how fast the electric car is.

and for many, they've got much higher priorities than going 0-60 in a 'ludicrous'ly short amount of time.

LeX2K Aug 22, 2019 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 10594915)
not at all. for many, and i mean MANY, the thrill of driving a FERRARI will never be outdone by an electric 4 door sedan, now matter how fast the electric car is.

Shouldn't you be comparing a Ferrari to the upcoming Tesla Roadster and not a sedan?

and for many, they've got much higher priorities than going 0-60 in a 'ludicrous'ly short amount of time.
Count me in to this way of thinking but I'd say a great many people disagree, or at the least put a massive emphasis on acceleration. As for electrics not being fun watch the Tesla racing channel on YT that guy always has a smile on his face blowing the door off of just about everything.

bitkahuna Aug 22, 2019 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Lexus2000 (Post 10594922)
Shouldn't you be comparing a Ferrari to the upcoming Tesla Roadster and not a sedan?

you questioned me about the article and i responded. maybe you should ask the article author.

and hard to compare a ferrari (something i hardly ever see and have only been in one once) to a car that’s not even out. :p


Count me in to this way of thinking but I'd say a great many people disagree, or at the least put a massive emphasis on acceleration. As for electrics not being fun watch the Tesla racing channel on YT that guy always has a smile on his face blowing the door off of just about everything.
boys and their toys...


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