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Old 07-17-19, 08:39 AM
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Default Ford reportedly plans replace Fusion and Mondeo with a lifted crossover wagon

Subaru Outback competitor would replace S-Max, Galaxy SUVs, too



After nearly two decades, Ford’s Mondeo/Fusion nameplate might end up shelved – or at least, the Mondeo as currently perceived perceived is in for a change. Since the Mondeo hit the streets in the early 1990s, the family sedan has been available as a four-door globally, and as a five-door liftback and wagon in some parts of the world, with the short-lived Cougar coupe version offered at the turn of the century. But for 2021, Ford is rumored to transform the Mondeo into a crossover wagon-only model, and there’s a likelihood that it will lose the name in favor of something more global, and that it could even come to the U.S.

Originally, the 1993 Mondeo made it to the States as the Contour and the Mercury Mystique, as those models replaced the Tempo and Topaz. While those new ‘90s sedans were somewhat European-sized, for U.S. buyers they were too cramped, and only later, larger iterations of the corresponding platforms started to gain a foothold. Eventually, Ford named its U.S. midsize sedan model the Fusion, using a name which had already appeared on a Fiesta-sized crossover in Europe. Currently, both the 2013-on North American Fusion and 2014-on Euro Mondeo versions are heading towards discontinuation, with top-spec trim levels getting dropped in advance.

Autocar, citing unnamed sources, says the new crossover model will also effectively replace the S-Max and Galaxy overseas in addition to the Mondeo, and that it will be built on Ford’s new C2 platform, which is in use on the Focus and later on, the new Fiesta, Edge and Transit Tourneo or Connect. Engine variants will include both gasoline and diesel engines and 48V mild-hybrid electrification.

Autocar also states Ford Europe sold just 50,000 new Mondeos last year and a piffling 24,000 S-Maxes and 12,000 Galaxies. Contrast that with the Fusion’s U.S. sales of 173,600 units, which is already a strong drop from 2017’s 209,600 or 2015’s 300,000+ sales, and it's clear the European Mondeo isn't selling as well as it should. Looking at the Euro sales data for the past two decades is especially grim: The Mondeo's segment has been visibly shrinking, with the car unable to break 100,000 sales after 2009. Back in 1997, Ford sold 322,700 new Mondeos with a bodystyle that dated back to the early '90s, albeit with a fresh facelift. So maybe the Mondeo name really is due for retirement, and the Fusion nameplate will be fresh enough to sell even in Europe.

It’s expected that the one car model the new crossover wagon will especially have in its sights in North America is the Subaru Outback, which in 2018 sold nearly 180,000 units in the U.S. Meanwhile, in Europe Subaru found fewer than 7,500 buyers for both the Legacy and Outback combined – far below Mondeo sales.
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Makes a lot of sense.
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Outback is a strong vehicle to benchmark. But there's a chance the Ford version could be more fun with an EcoBoost
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Outback is a strong vehicle to benchmark. But there's a chance the Ford version could be more fun with an EcoBoost
Maybe arguably a better looking alternative too.
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I think this also leaves Ford the option of quickly re-introducing the Fusion if the market shifts back towards sedans in a fuel crisis.
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The AWD Fusion wagon, at least from the images, sits too low, without enough ground-clearance, to be a true Outback competitor. It would compete more with the Subaru Legacy Wagon, which is no longer sold in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
I think this also leaves Ford the option of quickly re-introducing the Fusion if the market shifts back towards sedans in a fuel crisis.
Absolutely. I don't think Ford or GM will ever fully get rid of sedans. If the market picks up again, there are international models that can be adapted for US safety regulations and also both automakers have platforms. Ford's CD4 or C2.
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The AWD Fusion wagon, at least from the images, sits too low, without enough ground-clearance, to be a true Outback competitor. It would compete more with the Subaru Legacy Wagon, which is no longer sold in the U.S.
Marshall you're not reading this properly. Those are models that are slated to be replaced by and key word in the thread title Replace Fusion and Mondeo with LIFTED crossover wagon

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Hoovey, what both Mike and I are getting at is that these platforms could easily be adapted back to a sedan.

Ford and GM are both moving towards universal platforms across their sedan/crossover lineup.

I imagine Ford could have a sedan on the US market within a year or two.
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
Hoovey, what both Mike and I are getting at is that these platforms could easily be adapted back to a sedan.

Ford and GM are both moving towards universal platforms across their sedan/crossover lineup.

I imagine Ford could have a sedan on the US market within a year or two.
I thought I made it clear I was agreeing??

Plus we don't even know if Ford will keep or also do away with Lincoln sedans yet

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Absolutely. I don't think Ford or GM will ever fully get rid of sedans. If the market picks up again, there are international models that can be adapted for US safety regulations and also both automakers have platforms. Ford's CD4 or C2.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Marshall you're not reading this properly. Those are models that are slated to be replaced by and key word in the thread title Replace Fusion and Mondeo with LIFTED crossover wagon
Yes....to compete with Outbacks, they would have to be lifted at least several inches. The latest Outback has 8.7 inches.

I'd like to see it happen, though, with the Fords. The current Buick Regal Tour-X Wagon is a good potential Outback competitor, but lacks a nice V6 to compete with the Outback 3.6R, and doesn't quite sit high enough.

Toyota and Honda had two potential good competitors in the AWD Venza and Crosstour, but the Crosstour's back end was not designed properly, and Toyota didn't keep the Venza on the market long enough (perhaps due to the huge number of RAV-4 sales)

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Originally Posted by LexBob2
Maybe arguably a better looking alternative too.
the outback is a low bar.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes....to compete with Outbacks, they would have to be lifted at least several inches. The latest Outback has 8.7 inches.

I'd like to see it happen, though, with the Fords. The current Buick Regal Tour-X Wagon is a good potential Outback competitor, but lacks a nice V6 to compete with the Outback 3.6R, and doesn't quite sit high enough.

Toyota and Honda had two potential good competitors in the AWD Venza and Crosstour, but the Crosstour's back end was not designed properly, and Toyota didn't keep the Venza on the market long enough (perhaps due to the huge number of RAV-4 sales)
The Venza was a good Ford Edge competitor at 189″ L x 75″ W x 63″ H vs the Edge's 188″ L x 76″ W x 69″ H.

The Crosstour was more '4-door coupe styled' like the Acura ZDX, but they rode on the Accord and Pilot chassis's respectively
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