Ford knew Focus, Fiesta models had flawed transmission, sold them anyway
07-12-19, 10:23 AM
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07-12-19, 10:31 AM
#18
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I think the Boeing scandal is definitely unrelated to him as he was long gone by the time they developed the 737 MAX.
The question is just how much he knew about the Focus issues at Ford. It seems like Fields operated fairly independently under him and this isn't something that would have been elevated to Mulally's desk...especially given that it's a cover up.
The question is just how much he knew about the Focus issues at Ford. It seems like Fields operated fairly independently under him and this isn't something that would have been elevated to Mulally's desk...especially given that it's a cover up.
07-12-19, 10:35 AM
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I think the Boeing scandal is definitely unrelated to him as he was long gone by the time they developed the 737 MAX.
The question is just how much he knew about the Focus issues at Ford. It seems like Fields operated fairly independently under him and this isn't something that would have been elevated to Mulally's desk...especially given that it's a cover up.
The question is just how much he knew about the Focus issues at Ford. It seems like Fields operated fairly independently under him and this isn't something that would have been elevated to Mulally's desk...especially given that it's a cover up.
07-12-19, 02:07 PM
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Also I think this confirms my belief that there are 2 Ford Motor Companies.
There's the company that produces trucks and SUVs. This company gets resources because it's a giant money printer.
Then there's the company that produces cars. That company is dying off and has been starved for years.
If you read the article, they said that they'd had a similar concern come up with the transmission for the trucks in development, but it got a 100% different response from management. Which makes sense because the truck transmissions have been rock solid since the mid 2000's, perhaps best in class(to the point where GM uses the Ford designed 10-speed)
There's the company that produces trucks and SUVs. This company gets resources because it's a giant money printer.
Then there's the company that produces cars. That company is dying off and has been starved for years.
If you read the article, they said that they'd had a similar concern come up with the transmission for the trucks in development, but it got a 100% different response from management. Which makes sense because the truck transmissions have been rock solid since the mid 2000's, perhaps best in class(to the point where GM uses the Ford designed 10-speed)
07-12-19, 02:12 PM
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Also I think this confirms my belief that there are 2 Ford Motor Companies.
There's the company that produces trucks and SUVs. This company gets resources because it's a giant money printer.
Then there's the company that produces cars. That company is dying off and has been starved for years.
There's the company that produces trucks and SUVs. This company gets resources because it's a giant money printer.
Then there's the company that produces cars. That company is dying off and has been starved for years.
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If you read the article, they said that they'd had a similar concern come up with the transmission for the trucks in development, but it got a 100% different response from management. Which makes sense because the truck transmissions have been rock solid since the mid 2000's, perhaps best in class(to the point where GM uses the Ford designed 10-speed)
07-12-19, 02:17 PM
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The manual transmission? I have indeed heard bad things about it. The automatics have been shared with the F-150. The 6R80 from 2015-2017 and the 10R80 from 2018+. Other than some programming flaws common to a new transmission, i believe those have both been fine.
07-12-19, 02:57 PM
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If you read the article, they said that they'd had a similar concern come up with the transmission for the trucks in development, but it got a 100% different response from management. Which makes sense because the truck transmissions have been rock solid since the mid 2000's, perhaps best in class(to the point where GM uses the Ford designed 10-speed)
07-12-19, 03:17 PM
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Yes and no. While GM had some input, it was a Ford design.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups(Ford moreso than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups(Ford moreso than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
07-12-19, 04:17 PM
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Yes and no. While GM had some input, it was a Ford design.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups (Ford more so than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups (Ford more so than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
07-12-19, 05:37 PM
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Yes and no. While GM had some input, it was a Ford design.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups(Ford moreso than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
They teamed up to cooperate on 9 and 10 speed transmissions. GM would design the 9 speed and Ford would design the 10 speed and then they would both use them in their vehicles, modifying them as needed.
The result was that both companies have adopted the 10 speed in their lineups(Ford moreso than GM). Ford did not, however, adopt the 9-speed GM designed it. They made a significant number of changes, reducing it to an 8-speed for their use.
07-12-19, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shadow1118
I have a 2019 Camaro 2SS w/ the A10 tranny. People are reporting GM did a much better job with the tuning of it , then ford all over the Camaro forums and these people reporting had both the mustang and the camaro. GM did a much job with it then Ford. Its on par with the 8 speed in the RCF, because I had an RCF before and IMO they are the same performance wise.
07-12-19, 07:51 PM
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later VW units were OK, but not quite as smooth. The Ford DPS6, though, apparently, was garbage from Day One.The rough operation of the Ford-Getrag may be attributed to the fact that it uses dry clutches but the other problems may not be.
The second-generation VW unit switched to dry clutches.
07-12-19, 08:35 PM
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I wish the new camaro had an RCF tranny, but this 10 speed is honestly nothing to complain about. It impressed me coming from an RCF. For some reasons 10 speeds seem more natural when the car changes gear.
Last edited by shadow1118; 07-12-19 at 10:52 PM.