4TehNguyen

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it is self evident that younger people adapt to the new tech much faster than older people.

tex2670

Good point. The fact that it took you weeks to get used to all the complicated and confusing controls in your Buick proves that it has nothing to do with age.

mmarshall

Joy-sticks are not necessarily age-related when it comes to confusion. I've met people in their twenties who didn't like them.

Toys4RJill

I never knew GM has this feature already. Fords as well.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/...ure-spotlight/

mmarshall

I can understand why GM would have that feature, especially on their refined V6s and V8s. GM, like Toyota/Lexus, knows how to build quiet-running-engines that idle even quieter. While this would more likely affect seniors and/or those with poor hearing, even young people can sometimes forget that a GM or Lexus power plant, at idle, is still running, and not push the stop button all the way. I also notice that the stop-button on my Lacrosse, as it has worn with time, has to be pushed just so, and firmly, to get the engine to completely shut off. A green light on the button shows you the engine is running...a yellow light is the accessory-mode with the ignition off.

geko29

That is completely unacceptable in a ~2 year old car. We have two 9+ year old cars where the start/stop buttons work identically to new, with no ambiguity as to whether they've been "pressed enough".

mmarshall

Perhaps I overstated it. It's not a serious issue....just barely noticeable. I'm the type of person who can notice, feel, and hear small differences (sometimes very small) in how a vehicle operates....an ability I've had since high school.

Corey140

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/b...%2Fautomobiles

2 more dead in Florida, 2017 Toyota Avalon

Toys4RJill

Sad. With the tech now available that can prevent this. It’s a shame.

SW17LS

Its sad, but these people did in fact kill themselves by not turning their vehicle off.

Toys4RJill

A bit insensitive. Could be prevented with modern tech.

SW17LS

Its not insensitive, its a fact. Modern tech absolutely can prevent this, both in vehicles and in home construction. I was touring a new home complex a couple years ago and the builder installs in all their attached garages a vent that has a CO sensor on it, and when it senses high levels of CO in the garage it comes on and vents the gas outside so it doesnt leech into the home. No such building code exists this builder just took it upon themselves to come up with a feature that made their homes safer...which is great.

Where my issue comes in is the implication that somehow this is the vehicle manufacturers fault, or that this is a "byproduct" of the keyless ignition feature...which isn't fair. This is a terrible accident that is caused by the operator of a vehicle not properly turning the vehicle off. The car beeps loudly inside and outside if the door is opened and again if its closed and the key leaves the vehicle. The exact same thing can happen, and I'm sure has happened with key ignition cars also.

Its great that manufacturers are working to make cars safer in all ways, but this is not their fault.

Toys4RJill

Its insensitive in the sense that you used the words “killed themselves”. Ending ones life (not because they want to die, but because they no longer want to live) is a serious thing and to just use it in this context I don’t agree with. Anyways, you don’t have to agree with it.

Hard to post quotes on mobile, but I also have never implied that is the manufacturers fault. However, if society as a whole can make things better, we should. Manufacturers included.

SW17LS

They made a mistake which led to their deaths. Better?

Not saying you implied that, but the article does.