LS500 sales fall off a cliff in February
03-06-19, 05:01 PM
#61
Lead Lap
Lexus tried the whole lets go make a comparable vehicle that bests the german benchmark...F10 5 series vs the current gen GS. Every single publication awarded the GS the best drivers car ever. Did Lexus outsell anyone that year......nope
They ended up essentially paying folks to buy and lease their vehicle, while the 5 series had a great year.
They ended up essentially paying folks to buy and lease their vehicle, while the 5 series had a great year.
03-06-19, 05:09 PM
#62
Lexus Fanatic
Lexus tried the whole lets go make a comparable vehicle that bests the german benchmark...F10 5 series vs the current gen GS. Every single publication awarded the GS the best drivers car ever. Did Lexus outsell anyone that year......nope
They ended up essentially paying folks to buy and lease their vehicle, while the 5 series had a great year.
They ended up essentially paying folks to buy and lease their vehicle, while the 5 series had a great year.
03-06-19, 05:14 PM
#63
I still have yet to see an LS500. I live on the road in a high population area too.
While I like it I can see why it will never match past LS sales (aside from the sedan decline). The styling might just be too much for the older, traditionally more conservative LS customer. The move to a twin turbo V6 from the bulletproof V8 setup is a turn off for people who buy theirs for the long haul. Long term reliability was a reason to buy it over the Germans and people will have doubts about a twin turbo.
Personally I prefer large luxury sedans that have straight classy lines. My favorite LS is the 2007-2012 model. The facelifted spindle grilled one (2013-) just doesn't look nearly as good.
While I like it I can see why it will never match past LS sales (aside from the sedan decline). The styling might just be too much for the older, traditionally more conservative LS customer. The move to a twin turbo V6 from the bulletproof V8 setup is a turn off for people who buy theirs for the long haul. Long term reliability was a reason to buy it over the Germans and people will have doubts about a twin turbo.
Personally I prefer large luxury sedans that have straight classy lines. My favorite LS is the 2007-2012 model. The facelifted spindle grilled one (2013-) just doesn't look nearly as good.
LS 600hL
Other than the global crisis the next 2 years after intro, what ever went wrong? Decline of sedan sales or just an aging product? 2010 model ruined it with cheapened details, made more fussy by the 2013 model. They didn't keep up the LS momentum, in spite of the financial crisis and wither through it.
The new car had a great uptick in sales, which made it second place amongst traditional 4-door flagships last year (stateside), although hardly impressive for a redesign against a mid-cycle S-Class. More variants need to be offered, not just one hybrid and 2GR in Asia. The V35A-FTS is an impressive engine, but is it in the right vehicle?
It would be like MB just selling an S500 (TT Inline-6 W222) and hybrid S450 in just one wheelbase, ala XL CLS body. That is what Lexus did.
Last edited by Carmaker1; 03-06-19 at 05:45 PM.
e530?
03-06-19, 05:22 PM
#66
Lexus Champion
530e. Not a big deal about what it's called. The GS competed in a similar manner with its 450h, but of course that was not a plug in. What Lexus could have done with the platform...
03-06-19, 05:29 PM
#68
I don't comment here often obviously, as this has never been the right forum for such an in depth discussion. I leave that for forums amongst industry peers, as opposed to other individuals not really in that area of work.
I have never really cared how obtuse individuals receive or perceive my commentary, as product planning can have an effect with`poor sales down the road anyway.
I don't live here and simply addressed one poster's own long-winded commentary regarding the dead horse (LF-FC vs LS). The person you are even responding to for that matter, is trying to indirectly disregard my posts' relevance, by pretending as if they have nothing to do with the subject matter.
Last edited by Carmaker1; 03-06-19 at 06:12 PM.
03-06-19, 05:44 PM
#70
Lexus Fanatic
They overdid it on the touchscreen stuff in the A8 while making the rest of the interior pretty dull and cold. Audi interiors just are not special anymore like they used to be unless you love eliminating just about every button for a touchscreen and like minimalist designs which generally does not go with top luxury. The A8 used to be my favorite big lux sedan, the current one does absolutely nothing for me inside or out, I have not seen a single one on the road yet or maybe I have and it just did not stand out or I thought it was a A6. They really screwed the new A8 up, maybe more so then the LS500. The S class was really the way to do it, despite its astronomical price I can see why it sells so well, it is good at straddling the line between old school luxury and modern tech/features that the others just aren't getting, 7 series has some potential but I don't think its interior design looks that upscale and that motion control is just a really stupid gimmick and solves nothing. I have to say even if money was no object I would take a Genesis G90 over the new A8, new LS500, and likely 7 series though a Alpina B7 would be really nice, doubt I would take the G90 over a new S class though.
03-06-19, 05:51 PM
#71
Pole Position
03-06-19, 05:56 PM
#72
I see, that's what I thought. I actually forgot about the 530e, but typos do happen.
On a side note, I do find it interesting that my longer posts are snidely such an issue, considering some of the unusually long and bunched together text I find here at times and have to parse through myself.
Whatever then, as I am hardly off topic anyway and simply clearing up misconceptions and making it clear what is feasible/unfeasible for the next few years.
On a side note, I do find it interesting that my longer posts are snidely such an issue, considering some of the unusually long and bunched together text I find here at times and have to parse through myself.
Whatever then, as I am hardly off topic anyway and simply clearing up misconceptions and making it clear what is feasible/unfeasible for the next few years.
03-06-19, 06:01 PM
#75
That's not misleading. Lexus hybrids self charge because you drive them. If they hybrid battery gets too low, the engine turns on and acts as a generator. While actually in motion when you let off the gas pedal or hit the brakes you recoup energy. This is called KERS or kinetic energy recovery system. So yes Lexus hybrids do self charge.