Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ successor may be canceled?
01-30-19, 08:43 AM
#16
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It‘s not always about just sales volume.
All they need to do is put the engine from the WRX into the new Car with some new tech in the interior. Evolutionary exterior styling design and boom you got a new gen car with little investment. Handling, Steering, Brakes are all good and don’t need to be changed or re-engineered.
Toyota always does this. This car finally started to get traction, aftermarket support is strong, ppl around the world recognize it as a fun driver‘s car etc. And now Toyota wants to kill it.
Makes no sense....spend all this $$$$$ on R&D, Marketing, build enthusiast following and younger buyer demographic all to just blow it up because of bean counters.
Toyota always does this. This car finally started to get traction, aftermarket support is strong, ppl around the world recognize it as a fun driver‘s car etc. And now Toyota wants to kill it.
Makes no sense....spend all this $$$$$ on R&D, Marketing, build enthusiast following and younger buyer demographic all to just blow it up because of bean counters.
I wish the would've done a limited edition of 500 with just the WRX motor to see the response.
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Last edited by bagwell; 01-30-19 at 08:48 AM.
01-30-19, 10:43 AM
#17
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01-30-19, 05:45 PM
#18
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Could very well happen, but it is just a rumor at this point. Earlier this month Tada was quoted talking about the 86 in relation to the Supra.
Seems odd to bring that up if the 86 future is a dead end.
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Seems odd to bring that up if the 86 future is a dead end.
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He can hope for whatever he wants but ultimately he has no authority on budget or new models.
01-31-19, 08:48 AM
#19
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It makes sense for the 86/BRZ twins to die off. With the Supra having only 335hp at the top end where are they going to position the twins? Give it a 250hp turbo 4 then charge $30k for it? Sales of the Supra will immediately be cannibalized. And if they keep the twins at the 200hp range with an anemic engine, what would be the point of that? Toyota backed themselves into a wall with their powertrain choices, like they usually do.
01-31-19, 02:16 PM
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It makes sense for the 86/BRZ twins to die off. With the Supra having only 335hp at the top end where are they going to position the twins? Give it a 250hp turbo 4 then charge $30k for it? Sales of the Supra will immediately be cannibalized. And if they keep the twins at the 200hp range with an anemic engine, what would be the point of that? Toyota backed themselves into a wall with their powertrain choices, like they usually do.
So far as planned LOL.
01-31-19, 04:35 PM
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01-31-19, 05:02 PM
#23
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It makes sense for the 86/BRZ twins to die off. With the Supra having only 335hp at the top end where are they going to position the twins? Give it a 250hp turbo 4 then charge $30k for it? Sales of the Supra will immediately be cannibalized. And if they keep the twins at the 200hp range with an anemic engine, what would be the point of that? Toyota backed themselves into a wall with their powertrain choices, like they usually do.
Supra is $50-60k while the 86/BRZ are $25-35k.
The Supra has 365 ft lb of torque while the twins have 150!
The WRX engine only makes 268hp / 258lb ft which they can lower to 250hp as to not step on Supra‘s toes.
Having entry level sports car is more important than having a rebadged BMW Supra which will sell in much smaller numbers.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 01-31-19 at 05:07 PM.
01-31-19, 05:16 PM
#24
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You can say same thing about Miata and its the best selling sports car of all time with loyal following which the twins have also developed.
01-31-19, 05:29 PM
#25
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What you say makes little sense.
Supra is $50-60k while the 86/BRZ are $25-35k.
The Supra has 365 ft lb of torque while the twins have 150!
The WRX engine only makes 268hp / 258lb ft which they can lower to 250hp as to not step on Supra‘s toes.
Having entry level sports car is more important than having a rebadged BMW Supra which will sell in much smaller numbers.
01-31-19, 06:38 PM
#26
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Are you really comparing a BMW straight 6cyl that makes 50-75hp and over 100lb ft torque more than a boxer 4? And to say thats not much difference. Haha
Also the BRZ / 86 would actually come with a manual!
The only way this make sense for Toyota to do is if they plan to bring a 4cyl Supra to US and have option for the manual on that version and price it at mid to high $30s. Even that would be $10k over what twins sell for now.
Also the BRZ / 86 would actually come with a manual!
The only way this make sense for Toyota to do is if they plan to bring a 4cyl Supra to US and have option for the manual on that version and price it at mid to high $30s. Even that would be $10k over what twins sell for now.
01-31-19, 07:30 PM
#27
Could very well happen, but it is just a rumor at this point. Earlier this month Tada was quoted talking about the 86 in relation to the Supra.
Seems odd to bring that up if the 86 future is a dead end.
Source
Seems odd to bring that up if the 86 future is a dead end.
Source
4cly supra has nothing to do with FT86... Supra is around $20k more expensive with 4cly engine than FT86.
Just a fake news from news blog that does not understand basics about cars.
And at the same time, we just heard last month from Japan that Toyota is considering 3rd sports model, smaller than FT86.
01-31-19, 07:31 PM
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01-31-19, 08:56 PM
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