so if it's not a disaster there is no truth to the statement.

how do you gauge 'screwed-together' score or 'material-solidness'? seems like it's just a feel on your part, very subjective.

and it's not always about cost cutting, your perception may come from weight reduction to improve fuel economy.

 

. The interior of the new KIA and Hyundai cross overs are excellent. So is the packaging and the value. I personally do not care for them, I have no interest in the third row, would pick a Highlander over either of them, but there is no doubt they are excellent. Their strongest selling feature is their near luxury faux interiors and then their packaging. The KIA interior is better than the Hyundai version.

 

Does the door on a Palisade close with the same feeling of quality as my LS? No, but neither do the doors on an RX.

I think some people compare the Palisade to luxury cars and it’s not a luxury car, it’s a mainstream car with many of the nice touches of a luxury car, but it’s still a mainstream car.

 

It's kind of interesting how many if not the majority don't relate to cost cutting when it comes to "underpinnings." No mfg. is innocent, we've seen vehicles from the 3 major countries go from forged aluminum to stamped steel say for control arms, and raise prices, just to name one example. How about a $50k+ vehicle with a rod that props the hood open? imho one doesn't have to work on your own car to recognize some of these things. Or practically speaking maybe one does.

Again, in the 90's when I changed the valve cover gasket with a friend on the 1970 Pontiac, even this week I couldn't have told you if it had a OHC or OHV engine. That's because back then I didn't know the difference. With the cover off, what could be more obvoius? I think many have cars today and perhaps their knowledge/feel is along the same lines.

 

I understand the role of weight-control....I've stated that in other posts and threads.

 

I think the whole cost-cutting discussions on here is just nonsense. There are pros and there are cons to everything.

 

Its not nonsense, but its taken to an extreme I agree

 

The Ford Explorer has been around for years. I have several friends who own Explorers. They're basic cars, overpriced for the "luxury" that you get. I would never buy an Explorer - it's too basic, third row is still too small, and way overpriced. Palisade / Telluride are well ahead of the Explorer in terms of luxury, not to mention much lower price! But I won't repeat about my second-hand experiences about the Palisade, you can read the posts. No such issues with the Explorer. Not because Ford is superior to Hyundai. Just that they've had this car in production for many years. Like with the tested Hyundai products.

When I said Palisade / Telluride is a horror show, believe me, for those people who bought the car and then got slammed with the wind noise issue and what they've gone through with the dealers, it's a total horror show. I stand by my comment. Not sure what you mean by trolling, I'm just sharing my experience. You don't have to agree or disagree, I really could care less. I was gung-ho on the Palisade (or Telluride) and I am still waiting to see what happens. If I get comfort on the wind issue, I will actually buy one of these cars unless I give up and buy an RX before.

The big "sales success" is that they've limited the supply which makes these cars look like they're selling like hot cakes. Only the Limiteds are huge demand, and there's not much dealer inventory because they're limiting the supply. The Limiteds are the only trims which are selling at MSRP. All the other trims are discounted. I was in the Hyundai dealership 3 weeks ago, this is what the salesman told me. Lower trims of the Palisade and all trims of the Santa Fe - all discounted.

 

You can make "peanut gallery" comments all you want and arm-chair quarterback the process to no end. Your experience is based on "expert reviews" and what you read on the internet. I'm telling you there is a major wind noise issue with the Palisade, it's in all the forums, I've talked to more than 10 real owners and 6 or 7 indicated that it's an issue (above 50 mph), even one of the Lexus owners in the "Palisade Forum" stated he drove his partner's Palisade and it has the wind issue. I'm not supporting any brand or make or model. I wanted to buy the Palisade and did a bunch of research into it, and I'm posting it here in the forum. If it doesn't fit your agenda, too bad for you. You can believe whatever you want, I could care less, but you should refrain from characterizing my intentions. I wouldn't call you stupid even if you were. It's common sense courtesy.

And the other day I saw Asian Petrohead's youtube review of the GV80 (I think it was his second or third review) and he has a Palisade. He's done several reviews on the Palisade and Telluride, and he owns a Palisade, and he never mentioned the wind noise issue, so clearly it's not an issue with his car. But... during the GV80 review, as he's driving the car, he states that there is a lot of wind noise above 80km/h (50 mph). I'm sure a lot of the architecture and probably many parts are shared between GV80 and Palisade. So that is further evidence of this issue, and frankly I am quite surprised that the GV80 would have this issue. I drove a G80 a while back, and the car was super solid in all respects. Must be something with these new, large SUVs. Hopefully Hyundai will resolve the issue quickly. As I wrote in the ClubLexus Palisade forum, I would still like to buy a Palisade, but only after I get more comfort on this wind issue.

 

The fact that the Palisade and Telluride have been a sales success is not because of markups or low inventory. Like you said, what are hard to find are the Limited models. All you have to do is look at sales figures to see that they're very popular.

 

High Explorer prices are not necessarily a recent thing. I remember, after my heart-surgery at the end of 2010, when, after several weeks of recuperation, I started reviewing again in early 2011, one of the first (if not the first) reviews I did was the then-new 5Gen version Explorer. I was shocked to see versions that did not even include all of the options/accessories possible going for as high as 50K...and that was almost 10 years ago. When the Lincoln version (MKX) debuted a few years later, they were going for as high, fully-loaded, as 65K. I remember Jill (and a couple of others on Car Chat) scoffing at the 60K price of the MKX I reviewed.

But, back to the thread-topic GV80....it will be interesting to see what actual versions of them, in stock, go out the door for.

 

There is no truth to this idea that you're "sure" of. No architecture shared, and would presume very little if any parts common between the two. Save maybe for some bolts.

 

Correct, the GV80 and Palisade are unrelated.

 

I think there will some things shared with all Hyundai models for the new GV80..The engine is already used in other cars. I would assume some parts or software might be shared somehow. Both have an 8 speed. Both are made in the same plant.

 

The current Explorer has been out for only a year and shares almost nothing with the old models. It's even been moved to a RWD platform instead of FWD.

There are far worse issues with the Explorer. Why not try doing some research on your own for once instead of making up anecdotal rubbish?

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/16/...ontrol-issues/

Making claims that something was a "disaster" without anything to back it up is the definition of trolling. Nevermind having contrarian opinions for the sake of it, but when you make baitish fake news claims like this, you know exactly the kind of reaction you want to provoke.

The fact that you claim the Palisade and GV80 share the same architecture further solidifies how little you know what you're talking about.

And what do you have to support this nebulous claim with, outside of more rubbish anecdotal evidence?

Ironic that you would accuse the moderator here of being the one with the so-called "agenda".