Lexus human interface issues and climate control discussion
#137
Lexus Fanatic
You are assuming that everyone thinks like you. Some people do not want to use AUTO. I prefer in the summer the cold to be on non-stop, never changing from the low setting. All that has to be adjusted is the fan speed which I like to control. And the A/C button I can turn or off at will, same with the air re-circulation. The same in the winter, I prefer the setting to be around 18-19c in the car non stop, low setting with splint windshield/floor. I don't want fan speeds to change, or direction flow to change.
Agreed, but some people just want to do things there own way. I just cannot stand the system using the air speed control on its own.
#138
Lexus Fanatic
Right, which becomes more needlessly difficult to use in non-AUTO setting in almost all Lexus models with remote touch, for those who want to use the system in manual mode. That is where my complaint is, my parents *****ed to no end about no A/C button and then when I finally figured out and explained to them that they need to go into the remote touch, and do this, then do that, they looked at me with a look that said, "time to ditch this car" it is so needlessly difficult to use. My CT had the A/C button, so does the current IS.
For example, if you go and drive a new Land Cruiser, to change the manual air speed, you have two-step process (1. hit the CLIMATE, then 2 change your speed) but you can still change the air flow with a hard buttom
Contrast that to the new LS500, you can change the air speed, but you need to go all remote touch to change the air flow
Or the ES, you can change both the air flow, and the air speed, but you cannot turn off the AC
The most bewildering, poorly thought out design among the Lexus brand, for those who like using AUTO, all the power to you.
I have no idea how the UX works, I am afraid to look.
It seems like you do.
For example, if you go and drive a new Land Cruiser, to change the manual air speed, you have two-step process (1. hit the CLIMATE, then 2 change your speed) but you can still change the air flow with a hard buttom
Contrast that to the new LS500, you can change the air speed, but you need to go all remote touch to change the air flow
Or the ES, you can change both the air flow, and the air speed, but you cannot turn off the AC
The most bewildering, poorly thought out design among the Lexus brand, for those who like using AUTO, all the power to you.
I have no idea how the UX works, I am afraid to look.
It seems like you do.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-10-19 at 08:08 AM.
#139
Lexus Fanatic
Right, which becomes more needlessly difficult to use in non-AUTO setting in almost all Lexus models with remote touch, for those who want to use the system in manual mode. That is where my complaint is, my parents *****ed to no end about no A/C button and then when I finally figured out and explained to them that they need to go into the remote touch, and do this, then do that, they looked at me with a look that said, "time to ditch this car" it is so needlessly difficult to use. My CT had the A/C button, so does the current IS.
Its literally one button to get to a screen where you can turn the A/C off in my LS. I don't see what the big deal is.
I understand that you want more control, but the system isn't designed to easily give you that control, nor are the majority of other vehicles auto HVAC systems. They want you to just let the system do its thing, and most people consider that a feature they've paid extra for...thats why carmakers put that system in their cars.
For example, if you go and drive a new Land Cruiser, to change the manual air speed, you have two-step process (1. hit the CLIMATE, then 2 change your speed) but you can still change the air flow with a hard buttom
Contrast that to the new LS500, you can change the air speed, but you need to go all remote touch to change the air flow
Contrast that to the new LS500, you can change the air speed, but you need to go all remote touch to change the air flow
Or the ES, you can change both the air flow, and the air speed, but you cannot turn off the AC
It seems like you do.
You simply have a preference here that is not typical. I would suggest that you simply use this as a criteria when you are shopping for cars instead of calling cars that aren't designed the way you want them to be designed a poor design. I and many, many others are very happy with our Toyota/Lexus auto climate control systems...we aren't wrong.
Last edited by SW17LS; 02-10-19 at 08:20 AM.
#140
Lexus Fanatic
That is not correct. It is an opinion, its not arguing, just like your opinion. Its an interesting discussion. I have seen your point of view on this subject, I do not agree with you at all, to see my parents trade in their Lexus because of needlessly difficult to use remote touch and HVAC was a sad situation. If you cannot see that POV (opinion) without thinking I am arguing we have have nothing more to discuss. I shall move on from you posts in this thread.
#141
Lexus Fanatic
you're the one who keeps trying to make this personal towards me, not the other way around.
The bottom line of this is that every vehicle has a different approach to their controls. Owning and regularly driving cars from different brands has shown me that. When you get accustomed to those differences, they really aren't a big deal. I can give you a list of things that I think are better implemented in Chrysler's controls than in Lexus' controls and vice versa. That doesn't mean that I can't use the controls in either vehicle, I certainly can. As you have said before, your parents never liked that ES...so they should get rid of it and get something they like. It doesn't mean the ES is a bad car or poorly designed, they just didn't like it. They could have set it so the HVAC screen was always on the nav screen, or on half the nav screen as thats an option for the ES and all of those controls would have been right there.
Once you get used to the controls in any vehicle...its just not a big deal.
Yeah doesn't make sense to me either. In the Pacifica when I press the A/C button it overrides AUTO.
The bottom line of this is that every vehicle has a different approach to their controls. Owning and regularly driving cars from different brands has shown me that. When you get accustomed to those differences, they really aren't a big deal. I can give you a list of things that I think are better implemented in Chrysler's controls than in Lexus' controls and vice versa. That doesn't mean that I can't use the controls in either vehicle, I certainly can. As you have said before, your parents never liked that ES...so they should get rid of it and get something they like. It doesn't mean the ES is a bad car or poorly designed, they just didn't like it. They could have set it so the HVAC screen was always on the nav screen, or on half the nav screen as thats an option for the ES and all of those controls would have been right there.
Once you get used to the controls in any vehicle...its just not a big deal.
Yeah doesn't make sense to me either. In the Pacifica when I press the A/C button it overrides AUTO.
#142
Lexus Fanatic
In my 4Runner, it tells you for best results, when heating, turn on AUTO and turn off A/C. Same for manual operation.
#143
Lexus Fanatic
Then why wouldn’t the auto system do that automatically when heating?
#144
Lexus Fanatic
#145
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
And the point is, to ‘warm up the car’ i wouldn’t matter if it’s on 9c, 19c, or 29c as far as how quickly it will warm up.
I just cannot stand the system using the air speed control on its own.
#146
Lexus Fanatic
#147
Lexus Test Driver
By turning A/C off when you are in AUTO, you are turning off the "full" auto; the system will still determine the "optimal" fan speed and vent setting, but you are overriding the system's ability to also determine whether to turn on/off the A/C compressor.
It's like when I ignore my Waze directions because I feel like I know better than Waze does....
#148
Lexus User Interface Lacks Intuitiveness
Lexus User Interface
The only thing that really lets the whole thing down and would stop me from buying one – it’s the infotainment system. It’s painful to use and lacks any ingenuity. Using it on the move is hard and the mousepad style system for navigating the menus is inaccurate and fiddly. If Lexus was to invest in a decent infotainment system, they would literally own this segment, because they’ve done everything else to a high level of style, function and form.
Last edited by southernx; 02-10-19 at 10:58 AM. Reason: typo
#149
Lexus Test Driver
The temp is no different than the old-school dial with blue on one side, and red on the other. Now you just know precisely where you are setting the temp. If you turn off Auto, and set the temp, you can pick the fan speed yourself at low-med-high, making it NOT auto.
#150
Lexus Fanatic
Lexus User Interface
The only thing that really lets the whole thing down and would stop me from buying one – it’s the infotainment system. It’s painful to use and lacks any ingenuity. Using it on the move is hard and the mousepad style system for navigating the menus is inaccurate and fiddly. If Lexus was to invest in a decent infotainment system, they would literally own this segment, because they’ve done everything else to a high level of style, function and form.