SW17LS

They want the production out of the plant for those 7 months as they have a need for those units. As I've said ad-nauseum GM is a business and what they care about is profitably selling cars, if this plant produces cars they can profitably sell...it will stay open. The cancellation of these models is producing some short term demand they want to meet, hence the delay in its closure.

You overstate the level of need GM has for the UAW. The UAW needs to negotiate a new deal with GM, not the other way around.

Toys4RJill

GM officially has not said the plant is closing. They have said that the plant is being un-allocated product. GM could keep it open .


GM can't build their vehicles without a UAW contract in the US. A negotiation goes both ways.

SW17LS

GM has said they will "idle" the plant. That means the plant is closing. GM could keep it open sure, they could re-open it at a later date sure, they could sell it to somebody else, sure. There has to be a reason to do those things though, and "employing people for the sake of employing people" isn't a reason for them to do that.

They can't in the US. With each plant that shifts out of the country GM needs the UAW a little less. Thats also a motivation for them to ship production out of the country.

A negotiation goes both ways sure, but opposite sides of a negotiation hold different amounts of leverage. The UAW thinks they hold more cards than they do.

Toys4RJill

GM has officially said, they are un-allocating product. Uunder the UAW contract, GM cannot close a factory, they must negotiate the closure of a such factory in the US. In Canada, GM can close the factory with one years notice with Unifor. UAW unions make it very complicated for GM in the USA

SW17LS

Right. They aren't closing the factory, they are idling it and laying off the workers. Factory open, just not building anything. For all intents and purposes though, its "closed".

This complication is one of the big reasons why GM is at such a disadvantage in the marketplace. The UAW shoulders a huge part of the blame for GM's issues.

Toys4RJill

We don't know that it will close for sure. As it just got extended to the time where the new UAW contracts gets discussed.

SW17LS

You're assuming that it got extended because of the renegotiation of the UAW contract.

This plant isn't going to be producing product for GM in the future is the point. Does it "stay open" in some skeleton way to comply with the UAW agreement? Perhaps if its more cost effective for them to do that than to breach the agreement.

Companies breach agreements all the time if thats what make the most financial sense for them. Its all about dollars, companies are going to go the highest value way (which isn't always the cheapest)

Toys4RJill

Both of us really do not know, I guess nobody does. However, the plant got extended by 7 months which comes up with the UAW contract. I never would of expected the plant to get extended. So, GM is closing 5 of their sedan plants, who knows, maybe they will change course and just close 4 plants.

Johnhav430

The way I see it is, it's like growing tobacco. If this is what made you healthy, wealthy, and wise, you don't want to give it up. But time marches on, and suddenly it's not cool to smoke. Or when cameras went digital from 35mm. Those who refuse to adapt, can likely be jobless. When I toured the skyscraper a couple weeks ago, you better believe that was all union work. Good work? Looked like it. But it does drive the costs up 35%. Today, it's assumed and there is no option. But 50 years from now? maybe the skyscraper gets built with non union labor, as cars do. Should you be banned from parking a Lexus on the union hall's lot? Today, yes. 50 years form now, maybe you walk or ride a bike. Time marches on. And I kid you not, I was told, you do not park a non American based motor vehicle on the lot of the union hall. If you drive said vehicles, it's on the street, period. That's why I found it funny when guys who setup an inflatable rat were in an Acura MDX.

Toys4RJill

Now Ohio is willing to offer some incentives to GM.

https://myfox28columbus.com/news/loc...ordstown-plant

WARREN, Ohio — On Saturday, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine met with lawmakers and local officials in Warren, Ohio about the General Motors plant in Lordstown, Ohio.

DeWine indicated that if General Motors wanted to bring jobs back to Ohio, the state would possibly be willing to help the company with funding to update the Lordstown Plant.

"We've been in touch with them, as recently as this morning. Our priority of course would be for them to put a new line in there. We have told them we will be there with state money and state resources to make that work," said DeWine.

The governor says he's in constant contact with company officials and wants to do what it takes to keep thousands of jobs in Ohio.

DeWine also said that GM hasn't given him any indication that the company plans to make another car in the plant.

mmarshall

One should not have to bribe corporations into doing what they should be doing in the first place. Not just the State of Ohio, but the entire U.S., with Federal money (not to mention the UAW money, bond-purchases, and everything else that went into the GM bankruptcy-rescue) were there to assist GM when it was needed. Now, the company that was so "grateful" for the buyout wants to turn around and bite one of the hands that fed it. I once had some sympathy for this company, but have lost virtually all of it by their recent actions.

Toys4RJill

mmarshall

I agree (at least, in the sense of the way you describe it).........but how much more of an "incentive" can you give a corporation than to have saved them from bankruptcy? And that money ultimately came from all over the country, not just Ohio.

Toys4RJill

MattyG

Tobacco and cameras all changed because it was discovered that tobacco is not good for you. Digital cameras were an extension of film cameras. Tobacco and cameras were and are not necessary for you to get to point A to B. They are luxuries. You don't really need tobacco in your life do you? Or a digital camera? But you need your LS430, when you park your Bimmer right?