2020 Toyota Corolla Sedan
11-16-18, 02:52 PM
#17
Lexus Test Driver
Interesting offering. The front styling is very sharp and edgy. Rear is luxurious and agreeable. It falls apart with the greenhouse, which is sloppy, cluttered, saggy, and nerdy (front wing window). Dash is modern and clean. But lack of a central console between the upper and lower consoles is a poor use of prime space. Gauge cluster is dated, with such a big speedometer arc A digital readout would have left a ton of space for more media and trip info.
Overall, this should be a super selling car with fresh enough styling to last another six years. Toyota is cranking out some excellent sedans lately.
Curious to see what the basic L and LE look like, since that's what most people will be buying.
Overall, this should be a super selling car with fresh enough styling to last another six years. Toyota is cranking out some excellent sedans lately.
Curious to see what the basic L and LE look like, since that's what most people will be buying.
11-16-18, 03:32 PM
#18
Lexus Champion
Sorry, my mistake. I see eCVT and think "Hybrid". I see now that you are talking about the Direct Shift-CVT and its mechanical launch gear.
11-17-18, 08:15 AM
#20
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t really like it. Kinda underwhelming and perhaps a it boring. I tried the new Corolla hatch, while the interior materials were just superb, I really didn’t like the interior design all that much. The ride was very good, very sharp handling and this new model should be similar, but I don’t really care, I would rather have a softer ride more than anything else.
Some of the likes, the two tone colour again looks good. Looks like there is a damper on the rear trunk lid similar to that of the new Avalon and ES which slows down. Nice to see two new power train options.
Some of the dislikes: the front Toyota logo on the sport model just looks terrible. Just slapped on like an afterthought. Kinda meh on the inferior. The digital gauge display is really underwhelming. Styling is a let down although the rear is not bad.
Some of the likes, the two tone colour again looks good. Looks like there is a damper on the rear trunk lid similar to that of the new Avalon and ES which slows down. Nice to see two new power train options.
Some of the dislikes: the front Toyota logo on the sport model just looks terrible. Just slapped on like an afterthought. Kinda meh on the inferior. The digital gauge display is really underwhelming. Styling is a let down although the rear is not bad.
11-17-18, 12:52 PM
#21
Lexus Champion
Just call it a CVT. Toyota's new Direct Shift-CVT still is a belt-and-pulleys CVT (with software-simulated pseudo-fixed gear ratios) but it has an important addition that makes it truly unique and different from any other belt-and-pulleys CVT: It has a direct, mechanical (toothed-gear) connection from the transmission input (the engine) to the transmission output that is only used at a launch from stop. This prevents the transmission from slipping (drive belt slipping on the toothless pulley) if the initial torque is too much for the circumstances.
Once the car has started rolling, the transmission switches out of that direct, mechanical, launch gear and into the infinite gear ratios provided by the belt-and-pulleys, just like any other CVT.
That Redline YouTube review of the UX showed off this transmission as a true CVT but with a difference: Once launched from a full stop, a definite gear shift could be heard as the transmission switched out of the direct, launch gear into the regular belt-and-pulleys CVT. In Sport mode, the transmission acted like a true CVT: floor the accelerator and the engine would rev up into its power band while it took time for the transmission and car's speed to catch up. In Normal (more relaxed) mode however, the simulated gear ratios came into play to let the engine rev up as speed increased.
11-17-18, 04:06 PM
#22
Maybe I don't fully understand what you are saying; and I don't wish to get into a long, drawn-out discussion on this topic, but the Direct Shift-CVT is definitely not a power-split device (PSD).
Just call it a CVT. Toyota's new Direct Shift-CVT still is a belt-and-pulleys CVT (with software-simulated pseudo-fixed gear ratios) but it has an important addition that makes it truly unique and different from any other belt-and-pulleys CVT: It has a direct, mechanical (toothed-gear) connection from the transmission input (the engine) to the transmission output that is only used at a launch from stop. This prevents the transmission from slipping (drive belt slipping on the toothless pulley) if the initial torque is too much for the circumstances.
Once the car has started rolling, the transmission switches out of that direct, mechanical, launch gear and into the infinite gear ratios provided by the belt-and-pulleys, just like any other CVT.
That Redline YouTube review of the UX showed off this transmission as a true CVT but with a difference: Once launched from a full stop, a definite gear shift could be heard as the transmission switched out of the direct, launch gear into the regular belt-and-pulleys CVT. In Sport mode, the transmission acted like a true CVT: floor the accelerator and the engine would rev up into its power band while it took time for the transmission and car's speed to catch up. In Normal (more relaxed) mode however, the simulated gear ratios came into play to let the engine rev up as speed increased.
Just call it a CVT. Toyota's new Direct Shift-CVT still is a belt-and-pulleys CVT (with software-simulated pseudo-fixed gear ratios) but it has an important addition that makes it truly unique and different from any other belt-and-pulleys CVT: It has a direct, mechanical (toothed-gear) connection from the transmission input (the engine) to the transmission output that is only used at a launch from stop. This prevents the transmission from slipping (drive belt slipping on the toothless pulley) if the initial torque is too much for the circumstances.
Once the car has started rolling, the transmission switches out of that direct, mechanical, launch gear and into the infinite gear ratios provided by the belt-and-pulleys, just like any other CVT.
That Redline YouTube review of the UX showed off this transmission as a true CVT but with a difference: Once launched from a full stop, a definite gear shift could be heard as the transmission switched out of the direct, launch gear into the regular belt-and-pulleys CVT. In Sport mode, the transmission acted like a true CVT: floor the accelerator and the engine would rev up into its power band while it took time for the transmission and car's speed to catch up. In Normal (more relaxed) mode however, the simulated gear ratios came into play to let the engine rev up as speed increased.
And of course, it has really little to do with eCVT/PSD which has electric motors integrated, but you know that.
11-19-18, 06:54 AM
#24
Pole Position
The engine in the L, LE and XLE grades is the 1.8 litre 2ZR-FAE (with Valvematic), the optional engine in the current-generation Corolla sedan. The engine in the sportier SE and XSE grades is the same 2.0-litre M20A-FKS Dynamic Force engine used in the new Corolla Hatchback.
Source: Toyota Pressroom
Source: Toyota Pressroom
11-19-18, 07:04 AM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
11-19-18, 07:25 PM
#27
Lexus Champion
Looks great! Huge improvement.
11-20-18, 12:52 AM
#28
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
11-20-18, 07:40 AM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
Watched some videos of it. Its better than the old Corolla by far, especially inside, but it still looks bulbous and has "economy car" proportions, inside its very utilitarian and austere. Keeping the same anemic engine is a very strange choice. Compared to something like a new Civic, I'd still much rather have that.
Now...would I rather have a hybrid Corolla than a Prius? Yes. A Hybrid Corolla negates the purpose of the Prius even existing IMHO, although I suppose it will still appeal to "eco minded" well heeled folks who don't want to drive a "Corolla".
Its almost as if they believe most Corollas will be Hyrbids and thats why they didnt bother with a better gas engine?
Now...would I rather have a hybrid Corolla than a Prius? Yes. A Hybrid Corolla negates the purpose of the Prius even existing IMHO, although I suppose it will still appeal to "eco minded" well heeled folks who don't want to drive a "Corolla".
Its almost as if they believe most Corollas will be Hyrbids and thats why they didnt bother with a better gas engine?
02-03-19, 08:16 PM
#30
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
I test drove all new Corolla Hatch recently.
It was good looking, but tight at the back, however the sedan to be released in March should be much roomier.
The new 2.0 is magnificently smooth and quiet; the best in class - the current model Civic 1.5T has both a rough and loud idle, and has that turbo torque curve, where the Corolla atmospheric is far more linear.
I wonder if the Corolla's 2.0 has twin balance shafts?
Corolla's handling is good, and ride is very good too.
Just a lot of wind noise maybe from thinner glass, or a lack of sound insulation under the carpet, and the Corolla also has a lot of tire noise, probably from both the tires and lack of insulation under the carpet.
I would buy Corolla sedan over Honda Civic with that rough idling 1.5T.
It was good looking, but tight at the back, however the sedan to be released in March should be much roomier.
The new 2.0 is magnificently smooth and quiet; the best in class - the current model Civic 1.5T has both a rough and loud idle, and has that turbo torque curve, where the Corolla atmospheric is far more linear.
I wonder if the Corolla's 2.0 has twin balance shafts?
Corolla's handling is good, and ride is very good too.
Just a lot of wind noise maybe from thinner glass, or a lack of sound insulation under the carpet, and the Corolla also has a lot of tire noise, probably from both the tires and lack of insulation under the carpet.
I would buy Corolla sedan over Honda Civic with that rough idling 1.5T.