Toyota, sensing an opening, debates building Lexus cars in China
10-10-18, 03:05 PM
#31
Driver School Candidate
I WAS a huge Acura fan and I've seen how Honda quality cratered when they started producing in Ohio.
I have heard from folks INSIDE Mercedes about serious quality failures at the Tuscaloosa plant.
Toyota installed the WRONG PISTONS (how does this happen?) at the US Camry plant.
At some point, you can see a pattern.
I'll pay extra for "Made in Japan", everytime:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_2272291.html
I have heard from folks INSIDE Mercedes about serious quality failures at the Tuscaloosa plant.
Toyota installed the WRONG PISTONS (how does this happen?) at the US Camry plant.
At some point, you can see a pattern.
I'll pay extra for "Made in Japan", everytime:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_2272291.html
10-10-18, 03:40 PM
#32
^^ every Automaker in every country will have some sort of issue throughout its history. One from Japan most recently was a year ago when Nissan suspended production in Japan because of flawed inspections of their vehicles they were producing. It affected 1.2 million vehicles. If buying Japan makes one happy then do it, but no one is perfect.
10-10-18, 04:45 PM
#33
Lexus Fanatic
I WAS a huge Acura fan and I've seen how Honda quality cratered when they started producing in Ohio.
I have heard from folks INSIDE Mercedes about serious quality failures at the Tuscaloosa plant.
Toyota installed the WRONG PISTONS (how does this happen?) at the US Camry plant.
At some point, you can see a pattern.
I'll pay extra for "Made in Japan", everytime:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_2272291.html
I have heard from folks INSIDE Mercedes about serious quality failures at the Tuscaloosa plant.
Toyota installed the WRONG PISTONS (how does this happen?) at the US Camry plant.
At some point, you can see a pattern.
I'll pay extra for "Made in Japan", everytime:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_2272291.html
10-11-18, 10:16 AM
#34
Toyota is pretty good with plant quality around the world:
In any case, it would be for Chinese customers...
Toyota Motor Corp.’s Cambridge North plant in Ontario, Canada, which produces the Toyota Corolla, and Georgetown 3 plant in Kentucky, which produces the Lexus ES, are the joint recipients of the 2018 J.D. Power Gold Plant Quality Award.
10-11-18, 01:47 PM
#35
Advanced
Let's speak strong. Maybe that this move would be the right move to do, for models reserved to the chinese market.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
10-11-18, 03:10 PM
#36
Let's speak strong. Maybe that this move would be the right move to do, for models reserved to the chinese market.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-top-companies
https://au.pcmag.com/news/58998/does...inese-spy-chip
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/9/1...k-apple-amazon
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-c...ompany-n918696
https://www.wired.com/story/us-china-cybertheft-su-bin/
10-12-18, 05:37 AM
#37
Let's speak strong. Maybe that this move would be the right move to do, for models reserved to the chinese market.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
But I would NEVER buy a chinese-outsourced Lexus. Just writing this on this page makes me cringe.This simply isn't compatible with what this brand was, and the strong bond it had with all of japan's industry.
And the chinese gov has just done nearly every bad move on the textbook. I already try to limit my consumption of chinese goods to a minimum. If Lexus goes this route, I will very probably buy something else.
10-13-18, 07:48 PM
#38
I have no problem buying anything Made in China as long as there is quality control. All my electronics (TV, iPhone, PC) are Made in China except the Dyson from Malaysia. It makes sense for Japan to build Lexus in China for the Chinese market.
10-14-18, 11:33 AM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
That is not completeness or incompleteness of design
There are a number of factors that explain the features that you don't like about Toyotas, key among them being cost-limitation and cost-containment. Americans are very price-sensitive -- and much more so than buyers in the rest of the world -- when it comes to shopping for their personal-use vehicles. To keep retail prices down, there may have to be some less-expensive features substituted.
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There are a number of factors that explain the features that you don't like about Toyotas, key among them being cost-limitation and cost-containment. Americans are very price-sensitive -- and much more so than buyers in the rest of the world -- when it comes to shopping for their personal-use vehicles. To keep retail prices down, there may have to be some less-expensive features substituted.
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Below is from a 2003-2004 design 4Runner. MSRP was 48K at the time and you can compare it to a much more expensive Toyota Sequoia which was all American designed (so they say)
A little cover for the OBD-II plug.
Headrests that move for and aft (now gone on so many Toyota's and Lexus models)
Color keyed fuel door release vs hood latch release. (Gone from current 4Runner) Land Cruiser and LX took it to a higher level of detail
Door pocket lights that also illuminate the ground when the door is open (served two purposes)
An actual screwdriver is required to remove the door for the cabin filter.
An actual locking glove box (not present on the much more expensive Sequoia at the time)
Actual detailed instructions for the cabin air fitter.
A rubber dead/relax pedal for your left foot that stands the test of time. (compared the Sequoia at the time which had a patch I believe)
Some other nice touches are:
A soft closing rear hatch similar to the LS460 doors
An under hood cover (not present on the Sequoia at the time)
Fixed, rubber grab handles compared to the new lever plastic types
A separate tilt lever vs telescopic lever (newer designs have just one level for both) and the Sequoia at the time was absent of a telescoping steering wheel
Lighted cup holders at the time for the 4Runner
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 10-14-18 at 12:21 PM.
10-14-18, 12:29 PM
#40
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
I leave you with this disgusting horror show below:
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 10-14-18 at 12:33 PM.
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