Cadillac to expand V-Series but discontinue CTS-V and ATS-V
09-20-18, 06:07 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
Cadillac can really help themselves by aligning the size and price of their cars to the competition. I have been saying for years, you cannot take an entry level sedan, jack up the price, make it slightly bigger, and force it to be in the next class up while keeping the same name. People do not buy that type of BS. No one has ever pulled off such a move and no one ever will. To think there are adults working for GM who think such things are possible is sorry. The majority of Cadillac headlines these days are about failures. We deserve better from this storied company.
09-20-18, 07:01 AM
#17
Lexus Champion
Cadillac can really help themselves by aligning the size and price of their cars to the competition. I have been saying for years, you cannot take an entry level sedan, jack up the price, make it slightly bigger, and force it to be in the next class up while keeping the same name. People do not buy that type of BS. No one has ever pulled off such a move and no one ever will. To think there are adults working for GM who think such things are possible is sorry. The majority of Cadillac headlines these days are about failures. We deserve better from this storied company.
09-20-18, 08:00 AM
#18
Lexus Champion
Cadillac can really help themselves by aligning the size and price of their cars to the competition. I have been saying for years, you cannot take an entry level sedan, jack up the price, make it slightly bigger, and force it to be in the next class up while keeping the same name. People do not buy that type of BS. No one has ever pulled off such a move and no one ever will. To think there are adults working for GM who think such things are possible is sorry. The majority of Cadillac headlines these days are about failures. We deserve better from this storied company.
... and and Lexus ES.
All of these cars started life as compacts but grew larger through their generations to become mid-size cars, all while keeping the same iconic names.
09-20-18, 08:02 AM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
haha that is telling. Can you imagine (and I was thinking this too behind a sweet Camaro SS this AM) servicing this at a GMC/Caddy dealership? These are the same clowns who treat people with 82k SUVs poorly. But with a performance car like this, I'd have to install one of those BlackVues with the external locks.
09-20-18, 10:36 AM
#20
I love the ATS-V and CTS-V but they are too expensive now. There are a lot of wealthy people in my area but I have only seen one new CTS-V and one ATV-V coupe on the road. I don’t even see the non V versions that often considering how popular Cadillacs were around here.
The old CTS-V is very common in coupe and sedan form. I think the price is what scares people away.
The old CTS-V is very common in coupe and sedan form. I think the price is what scares people away.
09-20-18, 01:22 PM
#21
Lexus Test Driver
The above examples are not the same scenarios as what Cadillac is trying to pull off. The Altima, Accord, and Camry all grew in size TOGETHER. The class grew equally. What Cadillac has been doing is pumping up certain models that do not line up with the competition. Sometimes that isn't a major problem, but they are also pricing things way out of line, which is a big problem. To make it worse, they introduce a new small model to take the place of the original bigger one. Problem with that is it's too small compared to what they are pitting it against. Just a train wreck of decisions, one after another. No matter how it's presented or worded, the end result is failed sales and the discontinuance of models.
09-20-18, 01:28 PM
#22
Lexus Test Driver
Although I agree that marketing conditions are different today, GM, Ford, and Chrysler all three routinely did exactly that in the late 1970s and early 80s, when downsizing on each re-design became routine. It was routing for companies to play the name game by transferring the name of their full-size cars to the mid-sized ones, and, on the new (or carryover) full-sizer adding the name "Grand" or "Royal" to the former name of the full-sizer on the new full-sizer.
09-20-18, 02:25 PM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
Just because the Big Three did that back in the late 70's and early 80's doesn't mean is/was a smart idea. In fact, those were very troubling times for those companies due to their offerings. The buying public does not like the carpet pulled out from under them and name/model recognition is huge in this industry. Mess all that up AND overprice things, and you have a recipe for slow sales.
Oh, I agree.....I didn't like the practice, either, and felt that, at the time, what the companies were doing was a way to try and fool those of us, that were not car-savvy into thinking that, because of name-shifting and musical chairs, we were getting more car than we actually were. I could see right through it, as did most people who followed the industry and could add a simple two and two. Of course, I was opposed to the whole program of downsizing, back then, to start with. It basically arose from the attempt to get more MPG out of cars, which came about from the government meddling in the industry and mandating higher MPG and lower emissions. Technology, in those days, was not what it is today, and the simplest way to get lower emissions was lead-free fuel, lighter vehicle weights, and smaller engines.
09-20-18, 02:27 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
Doubtful on the present model. That vehicle is too large, too ponderous, too top-heavy, and IMO, one could not get the kind of handling, with its live rear axle, that the "V" designation would require.
GM hasn't released details, but the next-generation Escalade may, in fact, ditch the live axle for IRS, as the big Ford/Lincoln SUV's did several years ago.
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