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Old 08-07-18, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike728
You really think an $80k LS will only be valued at $31k in 24 months? That's some crazy depreciation!
depreciation on new vehicles is insane, and no, not 31k. But probably 50k easily.
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USAA Gave me 0% for 72 months on my Ram when I bought it. It's paid for now, but I refuse to pay interest on vehicles. If you cant get me to 0%, I will pay cash, or take the going rate to get the better deal at the dealership, turn around and pay it off on the first payment date. Time is money, I won't play games at a dealer. When I walk in, they are either going to sell me the car for what I want, or I will go somewhere else. There are way too many dealers around north texas to pay too much for a depreciating asset.

Anyway, at 2.9% for 60 months, unless you put a large down payment (like $50k) you will be upside down in no time. At that rate with 0 down, assuming an 80K out the door price, its $1434/mo. At that rate, you would not be able to pay it off faster than it depreciates. In 2 years, you could be as much as $20,000 upside down.
Right, ok. But then say you could take that lump sum that you are willing to pay in cash, or pay off the loan in the first month, and invest it at, say 6% (or even more)? The depreciating nature of the car isn't the only factor in deciding the best way to pay.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Right, ok. But then say you could take that lump sum that you are willing to pay in cash, or pay off the loan in the first month, and invest it at, say 6% (or even more)? The depreciating nature of the car isn't the only factor in deciding the best way to pay.
What seems to get lost in translation is whether a person really needs a new car, or additional car. 100% I do NOT need a Grand Sport 7 manual. But I want one. Luckily, my demand is zero. This is the sensible way for me to behave. Back to the original topic, 2.9% for 60 mos. on a LS500, I do not think it's a good deal because the cars are not selling. Offer this on a BMW M2? Get it, as long as the selling price is the same as using cash.

Nobody can deny that the new LS500 is nice, you simply have to be a human being to conclude it is a nice car. The problem becomes it's not desirable for most, given the price and the competition.
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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne
depreciation on new vehicles is insane, and no, not 31k. But probably 50k easily.
Then you would be ~$1k upside down, not $20k. I was just calculating what you stated in your previous post.
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Super, another self righteous financial lecturing thread
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The new LS has cramped interior and rough ride compared to the previous generations. Even Consumer Reports gives the new LS bad reviews. On top of all that, it’s overpriced. The LS drives away traditional Lexus buyers and fails to attract new and younger buyers that it’s going after. Seems like Lexus is lost with the design of this new LS. Very disappointing.
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Old 08-07-18, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Right, ok. But then say you could take that lump sum that you are willing to pay in cash, or pay off the loan in the first month, and invest it at, say 6% (or even more)? The depreciating nature of the car isn't the only factor in deciding the best way to pay.
For me, it is.
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Then you would be ~$1k upside down, not $20k. I was just calculating what you stated in your previous post.
Ok, my point was, its a rapidly depreciating asset. I threw out some random numbers, and certainly didn't do any math. Regardless, the fact remains, one will owe more on the car than its worth before paying it off if the loan is paid out to term, without a sizable down payment.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Sedans are dead for the most part in current market.
LS has many challenges so this is not surprising.

Large sedans are dead. Mid-sized sedans are still a strong player in the current market. The Camry and even the ES prove there is still a demand for a sedan.

Originally Posted by sivikvtec
Did you know the LS outsold every vehicle in its class last month?

Yes it is the newest offering and this probably won't last forever, but at this point it's not a failure.
The LS did win in July. Lexus sold 6 more LS' than BMW did 7-series. What's more shocking is Lexus and BMW sold more flagships than Mercedes did in July. I wonder what made the S-class sales fall by more than half? January-June were all consistent and then July sales went down by more than half. Poor Audi... the G90 has so far outsold the A8 consistently for 2018.
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Originally Posted by BrickHead
The new LS has cramped interior and rough ride compared to the previous generations. Even Consumer Reports gives the new LS bad reviews. On top of all that, it’s overpriced. The LS drives away traditional Lexus buyers and fails to attract new and younger buyers that it’s going after. Seems like Lexus is lost with the design of this new LS. Very disappointing.
I agree with everything you said except that its overpriced. Its actually very competitively priced.
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Originally Posted by Johnhav430
I agree....bought 3 new cars, all financed, but last car said enough is enough and paid cash (albeit only $14k).
glad you're pleased with your decision. $14k put into amazon stock a year ago would have provided about a 70% return, or about $10k, so by financing at say 3% and paying what, a hundred in interest, your car would have cost under $4k.

dealer rates and paying cash etc. makes no sense with rates close to zero.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
glad you're pleased with your decision. $14k put into amazon stock a year ago would have provided about a 70% return, or about $10k, so by financing at say 3% and paying what, a hundred in interest, your car would have cost under $4k.

dealer rates and paying cash etc. makes no sense with rates close to zero.
i already own amzn. Last thing I would have wanted to do was to buy 14k more. 1, I don't buy those amounts, 2, you are talking hindsight, and 3, it would have sent my avg cost way up despite being a small amount. Facebook, I missed out quite a bit. How do I sleep? I made money, just nowhere near what I could have. But I have cboe at the ipo, and vmw in the 30's. I keep this stuff separate from purchases.

summed up, you're playing the shoulda coulda woulda. I also put 50% down on the bmw and paid it off in 24 mos. What if that cash was left in the market? Doesnt work that way imho.
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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne
For me, it is.
Which is totally fine...unless you get all preachy about it when others don't feel the same way.
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Originally Posted by COOLIS
Large sedans are dead. Mid-sized sedans are still a strong player in the current market. The Camry and even the ES prove there is still a demand for a sedan.



The LS did win in July. Lexus sold 6 more LS' than BMW did 7-series. What's more shocking is Lexus and BMW sold more flagships than Mercedes did in July. I wonder what made the S-class sales fall by more than half.
There is no much S class sedan in dealers parking lot.
Three of my local mercedes dealers have 1, 1, and 3 S sedan, and dealer isn't willing to negotiate price now.
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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne
Ok, my point was, its a rapidly depreciating asset. I threw out some random numbers, and certainly didn't do any math. Regardless, the fact remains, one will owe more on the car than its worth before paying it off if the loan is paid out to term, without a sizable down payment.
Ok, there's fact and then there's crazy exaggeration. Your post leans to the latter. v

Originally Posted by ArmyofOne
Anyway, at 2.9% for 60 months, unless you put a large down payment (like $50k) you will be upside down in no time. At that rate with 0 down, assuming an 80K out the door price, its $1434/mo. At that rate, you would not be able to pay it off faster than it depreciates. In 2 years, you could be as much as $20,000 upside down.
Now, I would never suggest anyone go into an $80k vehicle with $0 down. I'm just tired of seeing and hearing BS comments being portrayed as facts.
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I would have no problem buying an $80k vehicle with 0 down. It’s all relative.
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