tex2670

I commend your restraint, waiting this long into the discussion to bring Buick into the mix.

For me, and others may have a different opinion, I'd rather have a top of the line fully-loaded Chevy than a lower or mid-range Buick sibling.

Johnhav430

I'd be curious and I think the Ford is the 2.7 Ecoboost--is that a have your cake and eat it too scenario? I was once given an Edge loaner from the Nissan dealer, and it was my first foray into 12 mpg. It was probably a 2010 vehicle. Since at that time we never owned an automatic or a crossover, I did not realize how much energy is needed to launch them, and the stop and go penalty (where the highway can be fine, but the city is harsh, like 12/24). Imagine if the Edge could do all that and get 18 mph city or something, which is why I don't get that GM doesn't start deploying turbocharging in more vehicles...just jumped online and the Edge is 19/26, are you kidding me? For 380 ft. lbs and AWD, what GM crossover can touch that?

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=40823

mmarshall

Thanks, but the Enclave speaks for itself....it needs no help from me.

If you noticed.....that is the very gist of this thread. A top-line Blazer is priced like an Enclave, but doesn't even have the value (in terms of value per dollar) of an Equinox.

SW17LS

Because people who buy a Rolls Royce are concerned about value

Where do you get this stuff?! 2 door and 4 door Explorers were built on the same assembly line.

mmarshall

Ford officials, themselves, at the time, said that they were not giving Mazda a version of the 4-door Explorer. Now, if you want to ask THEM where they got that stuff, that's fine.....be my guest.

SW17LS

What I meant was your comment that they had room on the assembly line for a 2 door Navajo but not a 4 door version. That makes no sense, its the same assembly line.

Kennyr44

All these vehicles are so similar including my Santa Fe. I think the Blazer name is wasted on a vehicle like this. They should have built a Grand Cherokee competitor. The Grand Cherokee is built so much stronger than all these suv's. Most Grand Cherokee's never leave the pavement but there's no comparison to these cars. The Jeep sits you up higher, gives you more ground clearance and takes imperfections in the road like they are not even there. It does all this with all the same amenities. My wife would not trade hers for anything. I agree with her. This is what the Chevy Blazer should be. The JGC has no real competitors and they sell 225,000 a year.

mmarshall

Totally agree that the new Blazer should have been more on the lines of the JGC. The JGC does have one (technical) competitor, though...the Dodge Durango, which is done on the same platform,

-J-P-L-

Agreed that it would have made sense instead of duplicating so many other offerings. Why not try to go after Grand Cherokee? Maybe other brands think it's a lost cause to go after such an established nameplate that owns the segment?

While the Durango shares some elements, it's not really even a competitor per se. It being a bigger 3-row vs 2 row. Really, the only vehicle that more closely competes is the Toyota 4Runner but even that is a bit of a different animal. Both are mid-size 2-row SUV's with real off-roading capability. The 4Runner is even beefier and more truck like. So the GC is more a comfort cruiser in relation to the Toyota that rides more like a mid-size truck.

But yeah, this is what GM is missing out on. Everyone agrees that we're buried in pavement crossovers. Why not bite into the GC pie.

bitkahuna

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Kennyr44

-J-P-L-

The 4Runner is becoming ancient like numerous Toyota/Lexus body on frame SUV's. With Toyota's deep pockets, it's curious why they let these models linger on forever. The current generation will be 10 years old next year.

The JGC is oddly time extended for such a popular model. The current generation came out in summer 2010 as a 2011 although Jeep continually updates it. I look forward to seeing an all new model soon but there's no word on it yet. Interesting thing about the JGC is that the overall design has been consistent since the first gen taking evolutionary steps forward. We already know that the 5th gen will immediately be recognized as a Grand Cherokee much like the Wrangler keeps its signature look.

Hoovey689

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I find it somewhat akin to squeezing every last bit of toothpaste from a bottle

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MattyG

4Runner gets trashed because it doesn't have driving aid features that are nice to have but not essential. There is a great revolution in things like LKA, BSM, auto-braking, rear emergency braking. These are very good things. But this truck is not a urban crossover but it often gets used for those purposes. But push the envelope and get into cities, towns and snowy winter spots where there is no snow clearing schedule. In some places, this Blazer would be towed out by a 4Runner.

Ever seen a 4Runner on a tow hook? You'll see the occasional JGC on a tow truck. Or a Toyota product with burnt out headlights and taillights? Yet to see that often. See these on all sorts of Detroit and German products. Newer ones yet.

This Blazer will sell well - but really it's a crossover, loaded up and tarted up with high msrp and deep discounting. Gotta wonder, does this new Blazer have a low range gearset? Or a RR style hill descent control? Probably not. But they want $55K and will sell it out the door for $40K+ or so.

And it's manueverability? It's about 1 ft higher turning radius vs a JGC. If you're worried about a 4Runner not being agile in the mall parking lot, you bought the wrong truck.