Genesis, Kia, Hyundai top JD Power Study
06-23-18, 05:54 AM
#46
The IQS is not a joke, it is a survey of issues that owners had in the first 3 months with their new cars. It tells us basically nothing about long term reliability, there is another Power survey that reports on problems after 3 years.
What kinds of things come up in the IQS that relate to quality? Paint flaws, crooked interior seams, squeaks and rattles, early failure of systems, etc. For example, the 2016+ RX350 has had numerous complaints from new owners about excessive noise and vibration plus hesitation on acceleration. They also evaluate quality of design. Ask a new Lexus owner about the quality of his infotainment system.
My take is that the manufacturers at the top of the IQS are doing the best job of meeting customer expectations at the beginning of ownership. After 3 years, the ranking will change somewhat, but most of the top ranked in IQS will still be near the top.
What kinds of things come up in the IQS that relate to quality? Paint flaws, crooked interior seams, squeaks and rattles, early failure of systems, etc. For example, the 2016+ RX350 has had numerous complaints from new owners about excessive noise and vibration plus hesitation on acceleration. They also evaluate quality of design. Ask a new Lexus owner about the quality of his infotainment system.
My take is that the manufacturers at the top of the IQS are doing the best job of meeting customer expectations at the beginning of ownership. After 3 years, the ranking will change somewhat, but most of the top ranked in IQS will still be near the top.
06-23-18, 06:39 AM
#47
Lexus Fanatic
06-23-18, 07:43 AM
#48
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edit just thought of this: in our real estate division, the head honcho drives a 2500 Silverado. He wears suits more than he handles a shovel. I think it would be kinda odd if he drove a Tundra, it's about leading by example. Does he have a 911? A Range Rover? A Mercedes sedan, sure he does, but when he goes to a job site, it's in the Silverado (how could I actually know this, I can't, it's when I've seen him at one, at the office and Post Office I've seen the other 3, and yes, I do feel awkward if they see me in a LS430 lol)
Last edited by Johnhav430; 06-23-18 at 07:51 AM.
06-23-18, 07:54 AM
#49
Lexus Champion
I guess if someone was shopping for a particular car or brand and hadn't thought about taking a closer look at the cupholders it might provide a heads up to take a closer look at them. This would avoid a problem or issue after the purchase.
06-23-18, 08:31 PM
#50
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It was like watching Sopranos, only not a tv show. At the same time, who wants to be subjected to that if they don't have to? Meaning on many things we do what's right and follow our conscience. On others, we like to avoid issues. My last firm decided to roll up their sleeves, and they used non Union cablers. They changed their minds when UPS and FedEx stopped delivering to the entire office complex, and SAP and US Airways were screaming at us. Truck? I gotta go Ford or Chevy, that's me.
edit just thought of this: in our real estate division, the head honcho drives a 2500 Silverado. He wears suits more than he handles a shovel. I think it would be kinda odd if he drove a Tundra, it's about leading by example. Does he have a 911? A Range Rover? A Mercedes sedan, sure he does, but when he goes to a job site, it's in the Silverado (how could I actually know this, I can't, it's when I've seen him at one, at the office and Post Office I've seen the other 3, and yes, I do feel awkward if they see me in a LS430 lol)
edit just thought of this: in our real estate division, the head honcho drives a 2500 Silverado. He wears suits more than he handles a shovel. I think it would be kinda odd if he drove a Tundra, it's about leading by example. Does he have a 911? A Range Rover? A Mercedes sedan, sure he does, but when he goes to a job site, it's in the Silverado (how could I actually know this, I can't, it's when I've seen him at one, at the office and Post Office I've seen the other 3, and yes, I do feel awkward if they see me in a LS430 lol)
06-23-18, 11:03 PM
#51
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Thread Starter
There are several reports of fragile cup holders particularly on German cars plus the tight space on others. This is a fail in design quality for many. Poor cupholders are a daily annoyance to many people so considering them is valid. The fact that so many complained that they were in the top 10 just verifies that the design failed the consumer. Again, it doesn't impact the long term reliability, but the manufacturer failed to satisfy the expectation of the consumer, the ultimate quality fail.
06-24-18, 10:51 AM
#52
So your saying the cup in your photo won't fit a std cup holder? Notice the bottom third in your photo the cup is designed to fit a std cup holder. I've never had a problem holding a big gulp in my vehicles.
06-24-18, 10:58 AM
#53
There are several reports of fragile cup holders particularly on German cars plus the tight space on others. This is a fail in design quality for many. Poor cupholders are a daily annoyance to many people so considering them is valid. The fact that so many complained that they were in the top 10 just verifies that the design failed the consumer. Again, it doesn't impact the long term reliability, but the manufacturer failed to satisfy the expectation of the consumer, the ultimate quality fail.
06-24-18, 11:21 AM
#54
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^ it's not so much about the quantity of cup holders as it is the quality, function, utility.
my jeep ones were great with little retracting grippers in them holding anything put in firmly and adjusting nicely to different sizes.probably rooted in helping people with drinks while off roading so bubba's big gulp doesn't go everywhere.
edit: realized after i posted that my genesis g90 has the spring loaded grippers too.
my jeep ones were great with little retracting grippers in them holding anything put in firmly and adjusting nicely to different sizes.probably rooted in helping people with drinks while off roading so bubba's big gulp doesn't go everywhere.
edit: realized after i posted that my genesis g90 has the spring loaded grippers too.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 06-24-18 at 09:09 PM.
06-24-18, 03:03 PM
#55
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but not all cupholders (or cups, for that matter) are the same. I simply used the Big Gulp as synonymous with large, wide drinks in general, and many of them don't have the tapered-lower-ends like that. The cupholders that bitkahuna described, with the adjustable grip-rings, are probably the best.
06-24-18, 09:11 PM
#56
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not sure what grip rings are. on mine there's 3 equally spaced spring loaded bumpers that the cup pushes out when you push it into the holder and the tension on the pushed in spring loaded bumpers holds the cup in place.
06-24-18, 11:14 PM
#57
Racer
Thread Starter
Wow, I wasn't aware this was such a big issue. I think you may be exaggerating a little. I also think this may have been an issue years ago, but modern vehicles I've seen all have sufficient cup holders included. I must say I don't monitor what German vehicles are doing but is surprising since they get such love here.
Many years ago, the Japanese car companies began to listen and improve their products. Tiny companies with little US sales began to get rave reviews for the quality of their products.
Tiny companies like Honda and Toyota began to change the US impression of what a new car should be. Lexus redefined what a luxury car should be. Now the Koreans are in the same place.
06-25-18, 05:29 AM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, that's what I meant....just used a different phrase to describe it. To be honest, though, I usually try not to drink in my car at all, for a number of reasons. I end up using the cupholders and other small compartments to hold items like my military-base pass, Arlington National Cemetery pass (where both of my parents are buried), hand-held calculator, St. Christopher travel-protection medals, etc..... I figure that the mug of Starbucks Italian Roast that I brew and drink every morning, at home, in my kitchen and dining room, with the creamer and honey that I put in it, tastes just as good, if not better, than anything I can get over the counter at Starbucks itself.
