How many vehicles have gone off of these curves vs. the total number that go through them each day? There will always be accidents, misjudgments etc. In this case near Cleveland it is well marked and it's up to the driver to take it from there.

 

Here are a few requirements for a driving license in Germany:

• a mandatory eight-hour first aid course
• a minimum of 37 hours of instruction (I had this waived due to already holding a New York State driver's license)
• passing two exams (theoretical and practical)
• a cost of over $2,000

 

"In California, the state's Vehicle Code requires cities to create speed limits on non-residential streets that are consistent with the 85th Percentile rule, the speed at which 85 percent of the vehicles will travel at or under. The rule was implemented, in part, to prevent "speed traps." There also is research that concludes motorists will disregard traffic laws, to the detriment of public safety, if the limits don't gibe with reasonable "operating speeds."

 

When I went to Sweden and Norway (in my single days), I was surprised not a single person my age (20's) had a driver's license. Not only was there no need, but everything related to driving was expensive, including the driver's license.

 

Thats an interchange ramp, not a highway curve. If somebody is driving through an interchange like that at 80 MPH they're an idiot. Totally different thing. I'm talking about driving along an interstate highway, there are no 35 MPH posted curves along an interstate highway.

 

There are highways in Utah and Arizona where its 50 miles of straight road...no curves....just straight. I've hit max speeds on these roads when I don't see a single living soul ahead or behind me. Its surreal.

 

Absolutely there are...

 

It is not a ramp. It is the mainline of Interstate 90 where it turns left into Cleveland. You could be driving on I-90 for hours before coming on this curve. I don't understand your point. I agree you can drive long stretches out west at any speed you want. I'm just saying there will come a point that stretch will end so beware of what's ahead.

 

I don't understand YOUR point. How does somebody driving at the flow of traffic regardless of what the posted speed limit is have anything to do with whether or not they are aware of what is ahead?

 

Is this the curve you are talking about....on 90, coming into Cleveland from the east? I thought I'd post it, so we understand exactly what you meant.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6007.../data=!3m1!1e3



We actually have a similar curve in the D.C. area (I'm sure Steve knows where it is) on the I-495 Capital Beltway, a few miles north of the Potomac, where I-270 meets 495.

 

And by the way, Dead Man's Curve in Cleveland is an interchange in an urban area:

• The nearly 90º turn on Interstate 90 near downtown Cleveland, officially called the "Innerbelt Curve",[31] at the point where the Cleveland Memorial Shoreway connects to the Innerbelt Freeway at a modified trumpet interchange just south of Burke Lakefront Airport.[32]
  [33] The advisory speed is 35 miles per hour (56 km/h), although the maximum speed limit is 50 miles per hour (80 km/h), as on adjacent sections of the Shoreway and Innerbelt.[34] Location: 41.5173°N 81.6754°W

Emphasis added to "modified trumpet interchange"





Its nowhere near that sharp, but its a similar type of interchange yes.

 

My driving the speed limit paid off today. So theres this hill that has a bend around a corner. You cannot see around this corner. The posted speed limit for this corner is 30mph. I usually go 45-50 around it and so do many others. Today a teenage girl decided to run across this corner. Shes lucky that I maintained the speed limit of 30mph despite holding up 10 cars behind me.

That's why I maintain speed limit at all times.

 

 

I usually go 45-50 around this corner but not today. Its literally been only a week since I'v changed my driving style, lol. I apologize if my tenses are confusing. Still learning them.