Never buy Good Year tires
06-19-18, 08:14 AM
#46
Lexus Champion
That's what they are (now) saying, but I'm not convinced. I've had literally dozens of plugs, in a number of different kinds of tires and different tire-brands, driven hundreds of thousands of miles on them, and I have never had one fail. Of course, I've never had a patch or plug done on the part of the sidewall above the tread pattern...that is risky, and, yes, can fail....in that case, you need a new tire. Most shops won't patch the sidewall area (due to flex) and tires won't pass a state safety inspection that way. But I'm not convinced that patches are as necessary as often as they are now saying....it adds time and labor, and allows the shop to charge more for a simple tire repair. It can also mess up the balance/runout if the shop doesn't keep the balance machines calibrated correctly (not all of them do)....after a dismount and inside patch, the tires have to be re-balanced, and the tire-pressure sensors re-installed correctly, or the tire PSI indicators won't work. Given a choice, where feasible (and, of course, sometimes inside patches are actually needed), I'll take a simple plug any day.
Slapping plugs in a tire will affect tire balancing.
06-19-18, 04:23 PM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
No offense.....but sorry, that's nonsense. Small rubber plugs don't weigh enough to affect balance....particularly if the rubber compound is heated up/melted/sealed properly in the puncture-hole. I know....I've had a number of plugs, with no trouble at all.
What DID affect tire balance was the old type of self-sealing tire, where you had the semi-liquid goop-coating inside the tire that clung to nails, screws, etc....and prevented them from making a complete puncture. That coating had a tendency to slide around the inside of the tire, form highs and lows, and continually mess up the balance, which is why those type of tires generally aren't produced any more.
Last edited by mmarshall; 06-19-18 at 05:21 PM.
06-19-18, 06:19 PM
#49
Lexus Champion
No offense.....but sorry, that's nonsense. Small rubber plugs don't weigh enough to affect balance....particularly if the rubber compound is heated up/melted/sealed properly in the puncture-hole. I know....I've had a number of plugs, with no trouble at all.
What DID affect tire balance was the old type of self-sealing tire, where you had the semi-liquid goop-coating inside the tire that clung to nails, screws, etc....and prevented them from making a complete puncture. That coating had a tendency to slide around the inside of the tire, form highs and lows, and continually mess up the balance, which is why those type of tires generally aren't produced any more.
What DID affect tire balance was the old type of self-sealing tire, where you had the semi-liquid goop-coating inside the tire that clung to nails, screws, etc....and prevented them from making a complete puncture. That coating had a tendency to slide around the inside of the tire, form highs and lows, and continually mess up the balance, which is why those type of tires generally aren't produced any more.
06-19-18, 06:22 PM
#50
Lexus Fanatic
I agree....but I wasn't referring to inside patches. I was talking about the old, simple way of inserting the plug on the outside and sealing it with the heating-iron. There's no way in Hades that is going to affect the balance. The tire doesn't even come off the rim.
06-19-18, 07:24 PM
#51
Lexus Fanatic
A plug can absolutely effect balance...
06-19-18, 07:30 PM
#52
So Good Year Riddance to the Good Year (Goodyear lol) Eagle RS-A tires and hello to my new Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires. Was gonna get them installed at Costco (where we did our Matrix tires) but the next service appointment was 2 weeks away. Sadly I missed the Michelin $70 rebate as that ended 8 days prior. Oh well. I ended up getting them done late in the evening at the Toyota dealer where I get my cars serviced, they actually price match tires but they were actually cheaper than Costco or Canadian Tire.
Now all four of our vehicles are riding on Michelin tires ❤️ Seems like MXV4 are highly rated and the new MXM4 tires are also great but they were an extra $45 per tire.
Lets knock on wood that I have no more flat tires.
Now all four of our vehicles are riding on Michelin tires ❤️ Seems like MXV4 are highly rated and the new MXM4 tires are also great but they were an extra $45 per tire.
Lets knock on wood that I have no more flat tires.
I hardly drive my continental tires, and they never developed ozone cracks.
06-19-18, 07:41 PM
#53
Lexus Fanatic
06-19-18, 08:49 PM
#54
Lexus Fanatic
06-20-18, 09:17 AM
#55
Lexus Champion
Michelin Primacy MXV4 is not a great tire, and yes they do develop sidewall cracking. If I had to choose between them and Goodyear Assurance Tripletred I'd take the Goodyear's.
06-20-18, 09:48 AM
#56
Lexus Fanatic
Now my wife has Premier and it's like the tread shreds, maybe it's made of sunflowers or something to save energy, but it is truly bizarre. Others state the same on this very forum but say why worry still has a 60k warranty. Last time the GM dealer said they needed replacement soon and they had 21k! lol cuz they start at 8.5/32 not 11 like most.
06-20-18, 10:39 AM
#57
Saw the back-and-forth regarding tire patching and re-balancing, so I took the initiative and called my local Les Schwab tire center here in Lake Oswego. Great guys, free flat repairs, they really hustle (I suspect they get a piece of the gross sales).
Anyway, the fellow who answered the phone (Darren) said that they never patch from the outside because the result is not as foolproof as taking the tire off the wheel and working from the inside. It also gives them a chance to inspect the inside surface all around. BUT he additionally said there is no need to re-balance for a 1/4 oz patch. Instead, they mark the location of the valve stem before dismounting, then re-mount for the same position.
Anyway, the fellow who answered the phone (Darren) said that they never patch from the outside because the result is not as foolproof as taking the tire off the wheel and working from the inside. It also gives them a chance to inspect the inside surface all around. BUT he additionally said there is no need to re-balance for a 1/4 oz patch. Instead, they mark the location of the valve stem before dismounting, then re-mount for the same position.
06-20-18, 12:45 PM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
I wouldn't, at all. The MXV4s are much smoother and quieter than the TripleTred which is a pretty hard and loud tire.
06-20-18, 02:37 PM
#59
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Lexus2000
If I had to choose between them and Goodyear Assurance Tripletred I'd take the Goodyear's.
06-20-18, 04:42 PM
#60
Lexus Champion
The Michelin Primacy MXV4 is a "Luxury Performance Touring" (according to Michelin) tire, so it would have been designed for smooth, quiet rides.
The Goodyear Assurance TripleTred is one of the first in the "All Weather" type of tire, built for better traction in colder conditions than normal all season tires. It has a longer tread life warranty (80,000 miles / 130,000 km) compared to the Primacy MXV4 (60,000 miles / 100,000 km). To achieve the longer life and with the special 3-zone (Water, Ice, Dry according to Goodyear) all weather tread, it rides on a harder, more aggressive tread, making it rougher-riding and noisier than the MXV4.
The Primacy MXV4 and TripleTred are not directly comparable tires.
The Goodyear Assurance TripleTred is one of the first in the "All Weather" type of tire, built for better traction in colder conditions than normal all season tires. It has a longer tread life warranty (80,000 miles / 130,000 km) compared to the Primacy MXV4 (60,000 miles / 100,000 km). To achieve the longer life and with the special 3-zone (Water, Ice, Dry according to Goodyear) all weather tread, it rides on a harder, more aggressive tread, making it rougher-riding and noisier than the MXV4.
The Primacy MXV4 and TripleTred are not directly comparable tires.