View Poll Results: Given what we know about Lexus' direction, will you consider a Lexus in the future?
Yes, I currently own a Lexus and would be interested in another
61
55.96%
Yes, I don't currently own a Lexus but I would be interested in buying one based on what I've seen
6
5.50%
No, I currently own a Lexus but I don't see myself buying another based on what I've seen
31
28.44%
No, I no longer own a Lexus and I based on what I've seen I don't anticipate buying another.
11
10.09%
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05-20-18, 10:49 AM
#151
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05-20-18, 04:41 PM
#154
05-20-18, 08:00 PM
#155
Lexus Champion
05-20-18, 08:38 PM
#156
Lexus Fanatic
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just went to lexus' website and it says the gs200t is 3805 as sears1234 quoted for the gs350. The gs350 is stated as LIGHTER at 3726!
Last edited by bitkahuna; 05-20-18 at 08:41 PM.
05-21-18, 04:23 AM
#157
Hence, the previous generation 2009-16 E350 3.5 V6 is certainly a little heavier than the current 2012-19 4GS350 3.5 V6.
Keep in mind that a turbo with its extra reinforcements, plumbing, and sound insulation etc - is always heavier than a naturally aspirated.
However, when comparing the current ageing 2012-19 4GS350 V6 & 4.5GS200t 2.0T to the current generation all new 2016-23 E300 2.0T, we are comparing the ageing Toyota/Lexus N Platform to the all new Mercedes MRA Modular Architecture platform with over 48% aluminium content - hence the all new Mercedes MRA platformed E300 2.0T would be lighter than the current 4.5GS200t 2.0T.
Toyota/Lexus' ageing N Platform only has an aluminium bonnet and aluminium suspension arms.
It seems that the 2019-26 5GS with Lexus' all new modular based architecture in the TNGA GA-L platform has been discontinued, but this supposedly forthcoming platform would be the direct equivalent technology & weight-wise to Mercedes' all new modular architecture MRA platform with high aluminium content.
Hence, when comparing all new MRA-based 2014-21 C300 & all new MLB-based 2015-22 A4 - to the ageing N Platform-based 2013-20 3IS300t, the IS is rather heavy hence slower in 0-60.
Unlike the latest 2014-21 C Class & 2015-22 A4, the ageing 2012-19 3 Series does not use high aluminium content, but the ageing 3 Series is light because it uses its' own dedicated compact platform, while the 5 Series shares platforms with the 7 Series.
Traditionally, IS/GS, A4/A6 & C/E Classes have all shared platforms, hence they tend to have an intermediate weight that lies half way between an ideal compact and an ideal midsize platform.
The next generation 2019-26 3 Series will use BMW's new modular architecture platform with high aluminium content, called the OKL Oberclasse platform [for Upper Class].
Likewise, Lexus is playing catch up, so the next generation 2020-27 4IS should have the TNGA GA-L platform with high aluminium content, lighter weight, hence superior acceleration, economy, and dynamics.
Auto manufacturers all copy off each other!
The Germans like to pioneer. Lexus likes to refine.
Do you like to lease a new German car every 3.5 years to the midlife refresh or until the warranty expires etc etc, or do you like to keep a Lexus for 2 generations of 7 year model cycles and 14 years altogether, or the like?
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Last edited by peteharvey; 05-21-18 at 03:51 PM.
05-24-18, 01:23 AM
#158
I love my Lexus... but it's also very much vintage not at all set up the way Lexus wanted it to be marketed when it was new since it could never have been allowed to even partially compete with the Toyota Supra Turbo of the same era. Lexus of course does not have any intention today of selling an aggressive RWD, turbocharged, mechanical LSD equipped manual transmission model with luxury features.
Even a manual LSD version of the RC350 or RC-F would catch my attention (because Lexus never understood that performance-minded manual transmission buyers also like the up-level engines with plenty of power) but they won't do this so no, I can't see myself getting into a new Lexus when some other brands do offer the driveline equipment I'd want.
I do like the Lexus brand. I do like many of their features and a lot of their overall approach to their cars and their heritage. I've always liked classic LS400's (not so much the newer ones I'm sorry to say... they should be more conservatively styled again) And the LC500 is a very beautiful and impressive grand touring coupe.
It's a shame but the driveline options I'd want from a new Lexus before we even get to the luxury features and options aren't what the company chooses to market even in their lower tier RC coupe lineup.
Even a manual LSD version of the RC350 or RC-F would catch my attention (because Lexus never understood that performance-minded manual transmission buyers also like the up-level engines with plenty of power) but they won't do this so no, I can't see myself getting into a new Lexus when some other brands do offer the driveline equipment I'd want.
I do like the Lexus brand. I do like many of their features and a lot of their overall approach to their cars and their heritage. I've always liked classic LS400's (not so much the newer ones I'm sorry to say... they should be more conservatively styled again) And the LC500 is a very beautiful and impressive grand touring coupe.
It's a shame but the driveline options I'd want from a new Lexus before we even get to the luxury features and options aren't what the company chooses to market even in their lower tier RC coupe lineup.
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