Everyone please slow down and watch for motorcyclists
Thats ridiculous - the driver of the car could clearly see the motorcycle. Visibility was no problem in this case, it was lack of paying attention and making a poor decision. Sure, the motorcyclist's speed was a factor as well, but the much bigger factor is the overall entitlist driver attitude and car culture that exists.
It's not ridiculous. You weren't with the driver nor was there a camera from the cars perspective. I'm looking at both sides of the coin in this incident, whereas you're being biased. Most of us are trying to talk about this video where it appears you're championing the overall culture which is fine, but please read what we're writing when making your responses. Also please be respectful in your future replies (above posts) to other members, or you will be asked to exit the thread. Thank you.
Again, driving is a privilege that comes with a great responsibility. Unfortunately many drivers are selfish idiots completely ignorant of this fact.
It basically comes down to this. Yes, there are bad motorcycle riders, but they don't usually last too long. Bad drivers however get away with breaking the law all the time, and the enforcement is sometimes ridiculously lax. Here's a recent story - a 26 year old woman with 26 prior license suspensions resisted arrest during traffic stop. How the hell people like her are allowed reinstate their drivers license so many times?
https://nypost.com/2018/04/24/woman-...pensions-cops/
https://nypost.com/2018/04/24/woman-...pensions-cops/
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Not necessarily for certain, but most likely, she's got something either on somebody in the local police department or on local politicians....if they lock her up, she'll talk.
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That was a typo on my computer's part, and strictly unintended. The Safari auto-type system on MacBook PCs sometimes does some weird stuff before you can catch it.
But...your point is taken, and the fact that she is a stripper just re-enforces my original idea that she may have something on local officials, and can't really be locked up. But, let's not get too far off-topic with the motorcycle accident.
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First of all, many in this thread are only looking at one side of a coin, solely blaming the motorcyclist for speeding. And while yes, the motorcyclist was speeding, he still had the right of way, and drivers should bear much greater responsibility since they are operating heavy machines. To address your point, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that visibility was not a factor in this wreck. The car was clearly picked up by a wide lens camera, which greatly exaggerates the distance. Drivers negligence played the biggest role, and unfortunately cars turning left into motorcycles right of way is the biggest cause of fatal motorcycle crashes.
Again, driving is a privilege that comes with a great responsibility. Unfortunately many drivers are selfish idiots completely ignorant of this fact.
Again, driving is a privilege that comes with a great responsibility. Unfortunately many drivers are selfish idiots completely ignorant of this fact.
^^ Everyone needs to keep an open mind, not just you and me. The passion is good, and I appreciate the toned down response, and the informative post contributions in general on this forum.
Driving is indeed a privilege. Riding is indeed a privilege. Having a license to operate anything with a motor on a roadway is a privilege.
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Most bikers have ZERO regard for any traffic laws and put themselves in dangerous situations.
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on.
I try to stay as FAR away as i can from any biker.
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on.
I try to stay as FAR away as i can from any biker.
Most bikers have ZERO regard for any traffic laws and put themselves in dangerous situations.
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on.
I try to stay as FAR away as i can from any biker.
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on.
I try to stay as FAR away as i can from any biker.
There are plenty of young drivers that do stupid things as well, and unfortunately many of them remain stupid as they age. Speeding, raging, bullying, honking and just displaying atrocious behavior.
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Most bikers have ZERO regard for any traffic laws and put themselves in dangerous situations.
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on
They never stay in 1 lane, never signal, ride between cars during traffic jams or at a red light, speed like crazy on highways, ride the wrong way on One Way streets, have loud obnoxious exhaust and rev it at a stop for no reason......i can go on
I won't pass judgement on this practice, since I'm not a biker (bikes generally scare me), and don't have much experience on one. But the excuse we often hear from bikers, especially with Harley Hogs, is that they cut off the mufflers and run straight-pipes when the bike is new for two reasons. First, in most jurisdictions, there is no formal law against it, and second, they (supposedly) want to make enough noise so that their bikes can be heard over the good sound insulation in some of today's vehicles. The reasoning is that, if you can't see them, you can at least hear them and know that are nearby, and you won't run into them mindlessly.
There actually IS a law against it (technically) with the general Noise Ordinance in the county I live in. But, because the local Harley shop not only services regular customer's bikes, but also keeps the the local police-bikes running and in good shape, officials simply look the other way and don't actually enforce the law at the Harley shop. The shop is also used as one of many staging points for the annual Rolling-Thunder bike-campaign each Memorial Day in D.C., when the noise from thousands of Harleys can get deafening.
I won't pass judgement on this practice, since I'm not a biker (bikes generally scare me), and don't have much experience on one. But the excuse we often hear from bikers, especially with Harley Hogs, is that they cut off the mufflers and run straight-pipes when the bike is new for two reasons. First, in most jurisdictions, there is no formal law against it, and second, they (supposedly) want to make enough noise so that their bikes can be heard over the good sound insulation in some of today's vehicles. The reasoning is that, if you can't see them, you can at least hear them and know that are nearby, and you won't run into them mindlessly.
There actually IS a law against it (technically) with the general Noise Ordinance in the county I live in. But, because the local Harley shop not only services regular customer's bikes, but also keeps the the local police-bikes running and in good shape, officials simply look the other way and don't actually enforce the law at the Harley shop. The shop is also used as one of many staging points for the annual Rolling-Thunder bike-campaign each Memorial Day in D.C., when the noise from thousands of Harleys can get deafening.
There actually IS a law against it (technically) with the general Noise Ordinance in the county I live in. But, because the local Harley shop not only services regular customer's bikes, but also keeps the the local police-bikes running and in good shape, officials simply look the other way and don't actually enforce the law at the Harley shop. The shop is also used as one of many staging points for the annual Rolling-Thunder bike-campaign each Memorial Day in D.C., when the noise from thousands of Harleys can get deafening.
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I think folks have done this already, but to confirm... Let’s move on from use of the offensive term if for nothing else to keep on topic and stop the bickering over it. Och, drop it.
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Thats not true. The bikers that you've described are usually rogue teens that barely last a season before becoming asphalt paint. You either ride well, or not long. Seasoned riders are perhaps the best participants on the road.
There are plenty of young drivers that do stupid things as well, and unfortunately many of them remain stupid as they age. Speeding, raging, bullying, honking and just displaying atrocious behavior.
There are plenty of young drivers that do stupid things as well, and unfortunately many of them remain stupid as they age. Speeding, raging, bullying, honking and just displaying atrocious behavior.
1) Harleys - scary looking middle aged white guys with tattoos that make a huge raucous
2) Sportbikes - Mostly black guys in their 20s and 30s that speed like crazy
3) Delivery vespa type bikes - mostly Asian, don't stop at red lights or stop signs
4) Bikes with luggage (cruiser i think) - these guys are very responsible
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How is that a mistake by the driver when they're already turning? The small object in the motorcycle is barreling down at you at near triple digits. Driver would barely have been able to see them when they started their turn. It's unfortunate, and why I don't immediately stomp on the gas when the light turns green, me actively trying to avoid red light runners.
The motorcycle driver is in the wrong for the speed he was going. However, it appears to me that driver stopped on his turn. I think he did not see the biker. Apparently there were 7 seconds for each to see each other. You are right, almost impossible to see the bike at the rate of speed.
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To the OP, I was a former rider for a while and there is a sad, but real truth to riding:
It's not if you go down, but when!
You should have this conversation with your son so you both understand the risks.
Personally, I had ridden but 1 year when an old lady didn't see me and drove in front of me to make a left turn from a shopping plaza. Luckily, I survived that collission and then only rode on the track or with groups from then on.
It's not if you go down, but when!
You should have this conversation with your son so you both understand the risks.
Personally, I had ridden but 1 year when an old lady didn't see me and drove in front of me to make a left turn from a shopping plaza. Luckily, I survived that collission and then only rode on the track or with groups from then on.