Honda struggles to move the once-hugely-popular Accord
03-13-18, 05:29 AM
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03-13-18, 07:20 AM
#32
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03-13-18, 07:28 AM
#33
I don't think anyone will argue that the V6 isn't smoother than a 4 cylinder. but spwolf is correct that the V6 makes up a fairly small mix of Camry sales. So the Accord adding a V6 wouldn't miraculously boost sales volume.
03-13-18, 07:35 AM
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We can all three agree that the real problem (if you want to define it as a problem) is the SUVs. Former Accord customers are now going home with Pilots, CR-Vs, and MDXs.
03-13-18, 07:44 AM
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The styling is hideous that's why sales are tanking. If Honda thinks otherwise they are in for a very rough time.
03-13-18, 07:46 AM
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I think mmarshall is party right. A V6 in the line up can go a long way in perception. I think Malibu, Sonata, and Accord have all removed the V6. Seems like nobody in the segment really wants the higher end I4 turbos.
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03-13-18, 08:07 AM
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And it's ludicrous, IMO, that you are finding 2.0Ts in the Lincoln MKZ, Cadillac CT6, Audi A6, Volvo S90, and a number of other really upmarket sedans. That is what the CAFE laws are pretty much forcing, though. Cadillac, though, to its credit, recently dropped the 2.0T in the CT6.
03-13-18, 08:12 AM
#38
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I have driven the new Accord with the 2.0 Turbo and the new 10 speed auto. It is a massive improvement over the last generation Accord. My wife drives a V-6 Accord coupe and the new turbo engine is smoother and faster. If the headline said "Honda is having trouble moving the new C-RV" I would be surprised. The fact that sales of a family mid-sized sedan are down should not be a surprise to anyone. The US buying public has decided that a CR-V is a better family mover than an Accord. They have also decided (based on sales) that an RX is a better entry level luxury vehicle than an ES. As an RX350 owner I guess I'm also guilty. My decision was based on pre-surgery back issues, but my 2016 RX350 has proven comfortable, roomy, and totally reliable. Now that my back is fixed, my next car will likely be a Genesis G90 or K900. My wife will likely change her beloved Honda for a Stinger.
In February, Honda sold 19,753 Accords and 25,852 CR-Vs.
For reference, in February Toyota sold 30,865 Camrys (up 13.7% month, up 16.1% year) and 29,867 RAV4s (up 14.1% month, 16.5% year).
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03-13-18, 08:13 AM
#39
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As much as everyone would have you believe that the sedans are dead, there are still plenty of buyers out there. That's not to say it will be easy. Let's not believe the dealers speak that lease deals are poor. The Accord is ugly, plain and simple. The thing looks like the designer stretched and backed a pickup truck into the Civic and said "there we go! Time for a beer." Almost all new cars, esp the Camry and Accord should have a period where discounts can be avoided.
03-13-18, 08:17 AM
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I have a feeling in the lower end of the spectrum, people tend to do a lot more research into technologies and cars. They probably realize a turbo will eventually fail before the engine does and will be added expense and that isnt something most can afford or wants to pay for in the long run.
03-13-18, 08:30 AM
#41
The Pilot and MDX struggled too pretty much all of last year, oddly enough.
I have a feeling in the lower end of the spectrum, people tend to do a lot more research into technologies and cars. They probably realize a turbo will eventually fail before the engine does and will be added expense and that isnt something most can afford or wants to pay for in the long run.
I have a feeling in the lower end of the spectrum, people tend to do a lot more research into technologies and cars. They probably realize a turbo will eventually fail before the engine does and will be added expense and that isnt something most can afford or wants to pay for in the long run.
03-13-18, 12:31 PM
#42
Toyota stuck to it's roots with the Camry, but also did an amazing job on the redesign making it current. Toyota pleased many Camry loyalists, but also opened the door to people who wouldn't have considered a Camry in the past. When I see the XSE model on the road (I've seen a lot here in LA), I'm still blown away with how good they look, This could have been a Lexus design. I'm excited to see what they do with the next ES!
Honda on the other hand took a leap and strayed from their roots with the new Accord. IMO the new Accord should have been an Acura model or a standalone Honda model. They tried to pull off a four-door coupe look, but I just don't think it works. The interior of the new Accord looks great... very simple + they did away with that ridiculous dual-screen thingamajig, but the exterior is too risky for the conservative Accord buyer IMO.
Honda on the other hand took a leap and strayed from their roots with the new Accord. IMO the new Accord should have been an Acura model or a standalone Honda model. They tried to pull off a four-door coupe look, but I just don't think it works. The interior of the new Accord looks great... very simple + they did away with that ridiculous dual-screen thingamajig, but the exterior is too risky for the conservative Accord buyer IMO.
03-13-18, 01:15 PM
#43
spwolf is right, V6's only make up some 8% of Camry sales.
Mike is right, V6's are for power and refinement.
Lexus2000 is right, the Accord's styling is hideous.
JDR76 is right, Honda Accord and CR-V sales fell across the board recently.
Last year, the more attractively styled compact Civic reached an all time record sales of 377,286 units across the USA; hands down outselling the ageing Corolla with only 308,695.
Thus, maybe the hideous styling of Accord is holding sales back, or perhaps its larger size - relative to the Civic and Corolla.
Mike is right, V6's are for power and refinement.
Lexus2000 is right, the Accord's styling is hideous.
JDR76 is right, Honda Accord and CR-V sales fell across the board recently.
Last year, the more attractively styled compact Civic reached an all time record sales of 377,286 units across the USA; hands down outselling the ageing Corolla with only 308,695.
Thus, maybe the hideous styling of Accord is holding sales back, or perhaps its larger size - relative to the Civic and Corolla.
03-13-18, 01:33 PM
#45
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I can understand having a standard turbo-four in a regular mid-size family-sedan (though GM and Ford, on the Malibu and Fusion, really got carried away wth the puny 1.5L turbo LOL). But the V6 should at least be an option.
And it's ludicrous, IMO, that you are finding 2.0Ts in the Lincoln MKZ, Cadillac CT6, Audi A6, Volvo S90, and a number of other really upmarket sedans. That is what the CAFE laws are pretty much forcing, though. Cadillac, though, to its credit, recently dropped the 2.0T in the CT6.
And it's ludicrous, IMO, that you are finding 2.0Ts in the Lincoln MKZ, Cadillac CT6, Audi A6, Volvo S90, and a number of other really upmarket sedans. That is what the CAFE laws are pretty much forcing, though. Cadillac, though, to its credit, recently dropped the 2.0T in the CT6.