2019 Kia K900
03-14-18, 03:33 PM
#121
Lexus Champion
I just simply brought it up because there is no Buick RWD available unlike the 80s and 90s yet KIA for some bewildering reason thinks they can sell a fully size RWD vehicle with a V8. Neither, Buick, Honda, Toyota, or Chevrolet can be do it under their brand names.
People not buying the K900 has nothing to do with not wanting to believe KIA is good, it is because its wrong brand name to be selling a car like this.
Would the Chinese RWD Park Avenue sell or flop in the US market if it were imported? My guess it would go the fate of the K900, there is just no market for it.
People not buying the K900 has nothing to do with not wanting to believe KIA is good, it is because its wrong brand name to be selling a car like this.
Would the Chinese RWD Park Avenue sell or flop in the US market if it were imported? My guess it would go the fate of the K900, there is just no market for it.
03-14-18, 03:35 PM
#122
Lexus Fanatic
Back to the K900. I know the 2019 version is not available yet, but has anyone here on the thread actually driven one of the present or past versions? 
I did a full-review a couple of years ago.
I did a full-review a couple of years ago.
03-14-18, 03:36 PM
#123
Lexus Fanatic
You probably don't have to deal wth the anti-Kia sentiment that I have to. I spend a lot of time explaining to people, not just here on CL, but in a number of places, why Kia is making credible vehicles today. Those who actually decide to go and look are usually but not always) impressed. Many people are still living in the past...
But see, you can't go to a Honda or Toyota shop and buy a sedan that starts at $49,999USD. You can't do that at Chevy, nor Buick, yet KIA thinks they can sell something with RWD and full size. Most of the cars that KIA (stinger excluded) sells are lower in price than Toyota, a bit higher than Hyundai yet the KIA starts at $15K more than Toyota's largest sedan.
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03-14-18, 03:46 PM
#124
Lexus Fanatic
Well, agreed..I'm just one person, and I'm not paid to be their marketing chief LOL. But my point is that people should look at a vehicle before they say it shouldn't be sold here. For example, I thought the Nissan Juke looked ridiculous when it first debuted, but I took the time to go see it and drive it....even wrote a review.
03-14-18, 03:50 PM
#125
Lexus Champion
The K900/K9 (just like the K3 for eg.) are first and foremost sold in the RoK for customers there. The US market is a supplemental market for this particular sedan. Speculation about whether it's some sort of Lexus-like entry into the US is great for nostalgia and business case discussions, but really this sedan is for South Korean executives first as they get chauffered around Seoul etc.
Traditional luxury for South Korea's business class has generally been loyal to the Germans, so it's possible that Kia's simply addressing something in their home market by trying to find a niche there. Catching some extra sales in NA is a bonus.
Traditional luxury for South Korea's business class has generally been loyal to the Germans, so it's possible that Kia's simply addressing something in their home market by trying to find a niche there. Catching some extra sales in NA is a bonus.
03-14-18, 03:54 PM
#126
Lexus Fanatic
Well, agreed..I'm just one person, and I'm not paid to be their marketing chief LOL. But my point is that people should look at a vehicle before they say it shouldn't be sold here. For example, I thought the Nissan Juke looked ridiculous when it first debuted, but I took the time to go see it and drive it....even wrote a review.
This is just the way I view it. I will admit, the Stinger looks to be off to a very good start.
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03-14-18, 11:36 PM
#127
Lexus Champion
You probably don't have to deal wth the anti-Kia sentiment that I have to. I spend a lot of time explaining to people, not just here on CL, but in a number of places, why Kia is making credible vehicles today. Those who actually decide to go and look are usually but not always) impressed. Many people are still living in the past...they feel the first place they should go to when they need a new vehicle is the Toyota or Honda shop, simply because that's what they have been doing for the last 30 or 40 years LOL.
Everyone and their mother is making "credible" vehicles these days, the challenge is making something that is more than just credible, and doing it consistently.
Kias are not more than credible. There is nothing special about them.
03-15-18, 05:46 AM
#128
Well, I think the Stinger is a step in that direction. It did get me to go to a Kia dealer for the first time.
03-15-18, 06:24 AM
#129
Pole Position
I thnk the name has a lot to do with it, Kia, Hyundai just doesn't carry the clout that the names Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus do. Regardless what other name it's called it's still a Hyundai-Kia.
03-15-18, 06:31 AM
#130
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t think anyone would suggest that the Kia/Hyundai name carries the same meaning as the Mercedes, BMW or Lexus. That would be for Genesis, and would say the Genesis brand carries the same clout?
03-15-18, 07:04 AM
#131
Lexus Fanatic
Kias are not more than credible. There is nothing special about them.
I'm not saying they're faultless by any means...but there is definitely value for the money.
03-15-18, 07:48 AM
#132
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
agreed but then we go back to the usual 'value' vs. 'image/prestige' debate and i know you and i couldn't care less about the latter, but to many it means a lot (if not everything).
03-15-18, 08:19 AM
#133
Lexus Fanatic
Ah, but can they make "credible" at Kia pricing?
Compare them to other vehicles in their class, and IMO they seem to have more solid-feeling materials, precise-assembly, and a feeling of quality to their construction. And my opinion is not alone. You, of course, are free to disagree...that's why we have Car Chat. And how many other automakers in the American market, aside from Mitsubishi, have the confidence to offer 10/100 and 5/60 warranties? A confident automaker will put its money where its mouth is.
I'm not saying they're faultless by any means...but there is definitely value for the money.
Compare them to other vehicles in their class, and IMO they seem to have more solid-feeling materials, precise-assembly, and a feeling of quality to their construction. And my opinion is not alone. You, of course, are free to disagree...that's why we have Car Chat. And how many other automakers in the American market, aside from Mitsubishi, have the confidence to offer 10/100 and 5/60 warranties? A confident automaker will put its money where its mouth is.
I'm not saying they're faultless by any means...but there is definitely value for the money.
03-15-18, 10:28 AM
#135
Lexus Champion
Another Audi inspired Kia dash... 