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Old 03-11-18, 10:33 AM
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it's funny the same brand has 'stinger' and 'k900'

and since they only sold a few hundred k900s (u.s.) they could certainly change the name.

The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............

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Old 03-11-18, 11:25 AM
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The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
KIA is not the brand to be selling large giant RWD sedans.

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Old 03-11-18, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
Kia is a budget mainstream brand, the fact that few people bought into a 60k version - which offered absolutely nothing unique, substantial, or advantageous in either design or engineering over its competition - is not a surprise.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
maybe so, but my point was the name k900 has no brand equity, so now is the time to change it.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post


KIA is not the brand to be selling large giant RWD sedans.
Neither was Hyundai, but they did, Genesis is doing well with what they have. Not everyone wants to spend around 100 on a full size RWD luxury sedan and many are not that concerned about badge if they are saving 35 or 40 grand.
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Neither was Hyundai, but they did, Genesis is doing well with what they have.
Genesis is not doing well. Sales for Hyundai, Genesis, and KIA are all down the last two years. Genesis is selling less G80s and G90s in 2017 than they did in 2016.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Genesis is not doing well. Sales for Hyundai, Genesis, and KIA are all down the last two years. Genesis is selling less G80s and G90s in 2017 than they did in 2016.
Compare G80 sales to most cars in its segment, compare them to the Lexus GS which is really doing poorly. The G90 manages decent sales in its segment, it was beating the LS and other players for several months. Again, not bad for a startup luxury company from Hyundai with only 2 models so far. Would you ever think 10 years ago a luxury company from Hyundai would be beating Lexus in certain segment for several months?
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Genesis is not doing well. Sales for Hyundai, Genesis, and KIA are all down the last two years. Genesis is selling less G80s and G90s in 2017 than they did in 2016.
Really? The data says something different. G80 2016 sales 6166, 2017: 16214. G90 2016: 782, 2017:4398
The G80 and G90 didn't begin sales until fall of 2016 so there is no real way to compare 2016 to 2017 but both outsold their Lexus equivalent in 2017. The G90 also outsold the Audi A8 and the G80 sales were even with the A6.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Genesis is not doing well. Sales for Hyundai, Genesis, and KIA are all down the last two years. Genesis is selling less G80s and G90s in 2017 than they did in 2016.
you keep trotting that out and you keep being wrong in regard to genesis and omit major factors for hyundai/kia like getting largely out of fleet sales, a huge chunk of units previously. Their sedan sales are way down (not entirely surprising with onslaught from honda, toyota, mazda, etc) but suvs are doing well.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna View Post


you keep trotting that out and you keep being wrong in regard to genesis and omit major factors for hyundai/kia like getting largely out of fleet sales, a huge chunk of units previously. Their sedan sales are way down (not entirely surprising with onslaught from honda, toyota, mazda, etc) but suvs are doing well.
Honestly. It does not matter if their sales of SUVs are doing well. If sales are down as a whole for all divisions, then they are not doing well. Does not matter if they cut their fleet. GM and Toyota have huge fleet sales. It is all taken into consideration. The reality is, Hyundai sales across the board are down. Lexus sedan sales are crap, but overall Toyota is up year over year. Does this not make sense?
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Originally Posted by oldcajun View Post
Really? The data says something different. G80 2016 sales 6166, 2017: 16214. G90 2016: 782, 2017:4398
The G80 and G90 didn't begin sales until fall of 2016 so there is no real way to compare 2016 to 2017 but both outsold their Lexus equivalent in 2017. The G90 also outsold the Audi A8 and the G80 sales were even with the A6.
Fact checked. Numbers are down since changing to Genesis. G80 sales are worst since 2010. Down to start 2018 as well.

.http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...s/genesis-g80/

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/hyundai/hyundai-genesis/hyundai-genesis-sedan/.













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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post


Fact checked. Numbers are down since changing to Genesis. G80 sales are worst since 2010. Down to start 2018 as well.

.http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...s/genesis-g80/

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/hyundai/hyundai-genesis/hyundai-genesis-sedan/.

But you need to examine the dynamics of the segment as well, as oldcajun noted. G80 sales are down, but the sedan has moved much higher upmarket than the Original Hyundai Genesis. And the fact that sales are generally holding steady for the G80 now into the 4th model year, when most of the segment save for the all-new 5 and E have been collapsing, is quite a feat. As they says, the data never lies, and liars always use data. You can easily rattle off that the G80 is down for 2018, but you also ned to see the context of what's going on around it.
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But you need to examine the dynamics of the segment as well, as oldcajun noted. G80 sales are down, but the sedan has moved much higher upmarket than the Original Hyundai Genesis. And the fact that sales are generally holding steady for the G80 now into the 4th model year, when most of the segment save for the all-new 5 and E have been collapsing, is quite a feat. As they says, the data never lies, and liars always use data. You can easily rattle off that the G80 is down for 2018, but you also ned to see the context of what's going on around it.
Genesis raised the starting price of the G80 by $2700. Sales are down from 2017 to 2016. They are also down for 2018 vs 2017. Like I said, they are not doing "well" Sales are not holding steady. They are down. Genesis as whole are down. And seeing how Genesis has low sales numbers, the percentage of decrease is quite high.

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Old 03-11-18, 08:06 PM
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It would be interesting to know how the Genesis division feels about current results vs. their forecasts and expectations.
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Originally Posted by UDel View Post
Compare G80 sales to most cars in its segment, compare them to the Lexus GS which is really doing poorly. The G90 manages decent sales in its segment, it was beating the LS and other players for several months. Again, not bad for a startup luxury company from Hyundai with only 2 models so far. Would you ever think 10 years ago a luxury company from Hyundai would be beating Lexus in certain segment for several months?
Have you been to the Genesis forums? G90s are selling at steep discounts, at ~$50k a pop.
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