2019 Kia K900
03-11-18, 09:33 AM
#61
Lexus Fanatic
The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-11-18 at 09:46 AM.
03-11-18, 10:25 AM
#62
Lexus Fanatic
The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-11-18 at 11:17 AM.
03-11-18, 11:39 AM
#63
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The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
03-11-18, 12:21 PM
#64
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The reason the 1Gen K900 did not sell was that few people (often without a test-drive) actually believed that Kia could produce a competitive full-size RWD luxury car. They were steeped in anti-Kia propaganda dating back years, to the 1990s. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but...............
03-11-18, 12:51 PM
#65
Lexus Fanatic
Neither was Hyundai, but they did, Genesis is doing well with what they have. Not everyone wants to spend around 100 on a full size RWD luxury sedan and many are not that concerned about badge if they are saving 35 or 40 grand.
03-11-18, 12:54 PM
#66
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03-11-18, 01:04 PM
#67
Lexus Fanatic
Compare G80 sales to most cars in its segment, compare them to the Lexus GS which is really doing poorly. The G90 manages decent sales in its segment, it was beating the LS and other players for several months. Again, not bad for a startup luxury company from Hyundai with only 2 models so far. Would you ever think 10 years ago a luxury company from Hyundai would be beating Lexus in certain segment for several months?
03-11-18, 04:46 PM
#68
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The G80 and G90 didn't begin sales until fall of 2016 so there is no real way to compare 2016 to 2017 but both outsold their Lexus equivalent in 2017. The G90 also outsold the Audi A8 and the G80 sales were even with the A6.
03-11-18, 05:37 PM
#69
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you keep trotting that out and you keep being wrong in regard to genesis and omit major factors for hyundai/kia like getting largely out of fleet sales, a huge chunk of units previously. Their sedan sales are way down (not entirely surprising with onslaught from honda, toyota, mazda, etc) but suvs are doing well.
03-11-18, 05:42 PM
#70
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you keep trotting that out and you keep being wrong in regard to genesis and omit major factors for hyundai/kia like getting largely out of fleet sales, a huge chunk of units previously. Their sedan sales are way down (not entirely surprising with onslaught from honda, toyota, mazda, etc) but suvs are doing well.
03-11-18, 05:47 PM
#71
Lexus Fanatic
Really? The data says something different. G80 2016 sales 6166, 2017: 16214. G90 2016: 782, 2017:4398
The G80 and G90 didn't begin sales until fall of 2016 so there is no real way to compare 2016 to 2017 but both outsold their Lexus equivalent in 2017. The G90 also outsold the Audi A8 and the G80 sales were even with the A6.
The G80 and G90 didn't begin sales until fall of 2016 so there is no real way to compare 2016 to 2017 but both outsold their Lexus equivalent in 2017. The G90 also outsold the Audi A8 and the G80 sales were even with the A6.
.http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...s/genesis-g80/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/hyundai/hyundai-genesis/hyundai-genesis-sedan/.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-11-18 at 05:55 PM.
03-11-18, 06:37 PM
#72
Fact checked. Numbers are down since changing to Genesis. G80 sales are worst since 2010. Down to start 2018 as well.
.http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...s/genesis-g80/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/hyundai/hyundai-genesis/hyundai-genesis-sedan/.
03-11-18, 07:02 PM
#73
Lexus Fanatic
But you need to examine the dynamics of the segment as well, as oldcajun noted. G80 sales are down, but the sedan has moved much higher upmarket than the Original Hyundai Genesis. And the fact that sales are generally holding steady for the G80 now into the 4th model year, when most of the segment save for the all-new 5 and E have been collapsing, is quite a feat. As they says, the data never lies, and liars always use data. You can easily rattle off that the G80 is down for 2018, but you also ned to see the context of what's going on around it.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-11-18 at 07:07 PM.
03-11-18, 08:10 PM
#75
Lexus Champion
Compare G80 sales to most cars in its segment, compare them to the Lexus GS which is really doing poorly. The G90 manages decent sales in its segment, it was beating the LS and other players for several months. Again, not bad for a startup luxury company from Hyundai with only 2 models so far. Would you ever think 10 years ago a luxury company from Hyundai would be beating Lexus in certain segment for several months?