New GS spied? Or maybe ES
02-11-18, 06:24 AM
#31
Lexus Test Driver
Its clearly FWD.
The new gen hybrid might be sold in Europe or they can just be purely doing testing.
02-11-18, 07:03 AM
#32
Lexus Fanatic
Agreed, definitely the ES if it Is a Lexus model, its clearly FWD.
As for it looking smaller than the GS, remember the current ES is actually larger than the GS.
As for it looking smaller than the GS, remember the current ES is actually larger than the GS.
02-11-18, 07:45 AM
#33
Lexus Fanatic
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02-11-18, 07:51 AM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
These cars are tested all over the world. Where they're tested and where they are sold aren't really related.
02-11-18, 07:52 AM
#35
Lexus Fanatic
I am also not buying the front proportion thing giving it away as a FWD. The new LS looks like it could be a FWD model from afar. New LS and Camry look like they have the same proportions.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-11-18 at 07:57 AM.
02-11-18, 07:53 AM
#36
02-11-18, 08:01 AM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
My issue with the ES is that after 2013 it wasn't really nice enough inside to compete with the GS' league. Before that I felt in terms of product quality it felt like a more expensive car than it was (especially my 2003 4ES), but the 13 model changed all that and it really felt cheap inside. The 16 refresh helped but not completely.
I'd like to see the ES move upmarket with better materials inside, AWD optional and then yeah I have no issue with the GS becoming a 4 door coupe like car.
I'd like to see the ES move upmarket with better materials inside, AWD optional and then yeah I have no issue with the GS becoming a 4 door coupe like car.
02-11-18, 08:06 AM
#38
Lexus Fanatic
My issue with the ES is that after 2013 it wasn't really nice enough inside to compete with the GS' league. Before that I felt in terms of product quality it felt like a more expensive car than it was (especially my 2003 4ES), but the 13 model changed all that and it really felt cheap inside. The 16 refresh helped but not completely.
I'd like to see the ES move upmarket with better materials inside, AWD optional and then yeah I have no issue with the GS becoming a 4 door coupe like car.
I'd like to see the ES move upmarket with better materials inside, AWD optional and then yeah I have no issue with the GS becoming a 4 door coupe like car.
02-11-18, 08:18 AM
#39
I still dont get why Lexus needs to sell ES and GS.
The sales people steer avg customer to the ES anyway bec its way cheaper and has more room inside.
This new ES will look very sporty and will follow in Camry's footsteps by offering more dynamic handling.
I wish Lexus can take the LC styling language, make a 4 door coupe and call it a GS to compete with new 8Series GC, Audi A7, and MB CLS.
The sales people steer avg customer to the ES anyway bec its way cheaper and has more room inside.
This new ES will look very sporty and will follow in Camry's footsteps by offering more dynamic handling.
I wish Lexus can take the LC styling language, make a 4 door coupe and call it a GS to compete with new 8Series GC, Audi A7, and MB CLS.
02-11-18, 08:24 AM
#40
Lexus Fanatic
I think the ES will increase the price on the top end of the pricing while keeping their base price intact. I also think an AWD will be offered this time around maybe not in the first year but perhaps in the second. The GS should be somewhat nicer inside compared to the ES. But the current ES was much nicer than the previous models in options, materials and interior design.
As for the current model, I don't agree at all. Much more use of hard plastics in the current car, much less wood. Lower door panels were always padded material in the ES before, starting in 13 they were hard plastic, leather is a big downgrade unless its the semi-aniline leather. The leather in my 2003 ES was nicer than the base leather in my 2015 LS, no joke. Wood on the console and all in the 4 and 5 ES, not in the 13-15 ES, its shiny cheap black plastic and hard interior colored plastic, hard plastic edges on the sides with no padding. Thin door panels. Design I like better than my 2010 ES but not my 2003 ES.
I was really, really disappointed in the interior of the 13 ES when I went to trade my 10 ES on one, and the 10 was already not as nice inside as the 03. Thats the only reason really I upgraded to the GS, the much nicer interior.
The 16 refresh helped, but still has many of the pain points. Had the 16 ES been what came out in 13 I would probably have stayed with the ES vs upgrading to the GS.
02-11-18, 08:30 AM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah I think a fully loaded ES AWD can touch $60k and there would still be a market.
As for the current model, I don't agree at all. Much more use of hard plastics in the current car, much less wood. Lower door panels were always padded material in the ES before, starting in 13 they were hard plastic, leather is a big downgrade unless its the semi-aniline leather. The leather in my 2003 ES was nicer than the base leather in my 2015 LS, no joke. Wood on the console and all in the 4 and 5 ES, not in the 13-15 ES, its shiny cheap black plastic and hard interior colored plastic, hard plastic edges on the sides with no padding. Thin door panels. Design I like better than my 2010 ES but not my 2003 ES.
I was really, really disappointed in the interior of the 13 ES when I went to trade my 10 ES on one, and the 10 was already not as nice inside as the 03. Thats the only reason really I upgraded to the GS, the much nicer interior.
The 16 refresh helped, but still has many of the pain points. Had the 16 ES been what came out in 13 I would probably have stayed with the ES vs upgrading to the GS.
As for the current model, I don't agree at all. Much more use of hard plastics in the current car, much less wood. Lower door panels were always padded material in the ES before, starting in 13 they were hard plastic, leather is a big downgrade unless its the semi-aniline leather. The leather in my 2003 ES was nicer than the base leather in my 2015 LS, no joke. Wood on the console and all in the 4 and 5 ES, not in the 13-15 ES, its shiny cheap black plastic and hard interior colored plastic, hard plastic edges on the sides with no padding. Thin door panels. Design I like better than my 2010 ES but not my 2003 ES.
I was really, really disappointed in the interior of the 13 ES when I went to trade my 10 ES on one, and the 10 was already not as nice inside as the 03. Thats the only reason really I upgraded to the GS, the much nicer interior.
The 16 refresh helped, but still has many of the pain points. Had the 16 ES been what came out in 13 I would probably have stayed with the ES vs upgrading to the GS.
I will be honest, my parents do not really like their ES350 all that much. Materials is not really the issue. Just the overall feeling and impression they have after 3 year of current ownership. I think it will be gone for sure next year.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-11-18 at 08:34 AM.
02-11-18, 08:38 AM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
Some fair comments. I have never liked the 07-12 ES. I do like the new ES, but’s it’s the design more than anything.
I will be honest, my parents do not really like their ES350 all that much. Materials is not really the issue. Just the overall feeling and impression they have after 3 year of current ownership. I think it will be gone for sure next year.
The ES suffers from just being very basic and ordinary today, they really need to step it up a notch.
02-11-18, 09:23 AM
#44
Lexus Fanatic
It should be a step above all of those vehicles IMHO. It always was in the past. These mainstream "near luxury" cars like the Avalon, Lacrosse, Cadenza etc have really stepped up their game to where they're the ES' peers, I'd like to see the ES deliver an experience closer to the Genesis G80 (albeit recognizing it will always be FWD), so that people feel like its a step above these non-luxury cars.
