December 2017 Sales Thread
01-04-18, 12:53 PM
#31
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Some interesting Honda vs. Toyota 2017 YTD stats for key models. I am surprised that the Highlander is outselling the Pilot almost 2: 1. Not sure why.
Also i would have expected brand new CRV to outsell older Rav4 which doesn't seem to happening either.
Corolla: 308,695
Civic: 377,286
Camry: 387,081
Accord: 322,655
Rav4: 407,594
CRV: 377,895
Highlander: 215,775
Pilot:127,279
Also i would have expected brand new CRV to outsell older Rav4 which doesn't seem to happening either.
Corolla: 308,695
Civic: 377,286
Camry: 387,081
Accord: 322,655
Rav4: 407,594
CRV: 377,895
Highlander: 215,775
Pilot:127,279
01-04-18, 12:54 PM
#32
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Lexus better hurry with stock availability for the new models. Nothing more frustrating than finding out a new model is out for end of August, but no dealer has stock and by year end, they are still in low supply. For Toyota, this is the first time I ever saw Toyota Canada offer lease incentives on the new Camry XSE V6, as soon as it was released. They usually wait for the January slump for that, I saw a dealer in Edmonton, even giving cash back incentives on the CAMRY over the Christmas break. WOW oh WOW.
01-04-18, 02:19 PM
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On my way to work I pass a large field by our airport used for moving and storing rental cars. Besides the large number of minivans there's a lot of RAV4's, Camry's, and Nissan products on a daily basis being moved thru. Seems like both Nissan and Toyota have moved a lot of inventory into the rental market of late.
01-04-18, 03:20 PM
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People wonder why Toyco and Lexus has been going a little sporty and drastic in styling on their classic sedans :
From Motor Trend :
SUVS AND CROSSOVERS SAVED 2017 FOR AUTOMAKERS IN THE U.S.
Toyota (-0.6 percent, 2,434,515 vehicles)
Compared to FCA, Toyota’s decrease of less than one percentage point looks impressive. But like many other automakers this year, when you look closer, you see decreasing car sales propped up by strong SUV and truck sales. Toyota brand’s car sales were down 9.9 percent for the year, while Lexus’ car sales were down 23.3 percent. SUVs, on the other hand, were up 17.9 percent for Toyota and 2.9 percent for Lexus. Truck sales were up another 2.4 percent.
Interestingly, one of the only cars that improved for the year was the Mazda-based Toyota Yaris iA, which posted a 27.7 percent jump in sales. And while barely more than 1,000 sold, the Mirai gets credit for posting a 77.8 percent increase. As for Lexus, while SUV sales improved modestly across the lineup, every single car was down for the year. Most notably, the GS saw sales decrease by a whopping 47.8 percent.
From Motor Trend :
SUVS AND CROSSOVERS SAVED 2017 FOR AUTOMAKERS IN THE U.S.
Toyota (-0.6 percent, 2,434,515 vehicles)
Compared to FCA, Toyota’s decrease of less than one percentage point looks impressive. But like many other automakers this year, when you look closer, you see decreasing car sales propped up by strong SUV and truck sales. Toyota brand’s car sales were down 9.9 percent for the year, while Lexus’ car sales were down 23.3 percent. SUVs, on the other hand, were up 17.9 percent for Toyota and 2.9 percent for Lexus. Truck sales were up another 2.4 percent.
Interestingly, one of the only cars that improved for the year was the Mazda-based Toyota Yaris iA, which posted a 27.7 percent jump in sales. And while barely more than 1,000 sold, the Mirai gets credit for posting a 77.8 percent increase. As for Lexus, while SUV sales improved modestly across the lineup, every single car was down for the year. Most notably, the GS saw sales decrease by a whopping 47.8 percent.
01-04-18, 03:43 PM
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On my way to work I pass a large field by our airport used for moving and storing rental cars. Besides the large number of minivans there's a lot of RAV4's, Camry's, and Nissan products on a daily basis being moved thru. Seems like both Nissan and Toyota have moved a lot of inventory into the rental market of late.
01-05-18, 10:00 AM
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http://www.hybridcars.com/December-2017-dashboard/
December 2017 Dashboardby Jeff Cobb January 4, 2018 
The HybridCars.com monthly sales Dashboard is a collaboration of HybridCars.com and Baum & Associates, a Michigan-based market research firm focusing on automotive issues including the hybrid and electric vehicle market.
Sales for the year ended strongly for a total of 17.1 million, which is a banner result even if it is down by 2 percent from 2016.
December is traditionally a good month for auto sales as automakers seek to make their year-end goals. Plug-ins, battery electrics, and diesels all had stronger growth versus November and December 2016 as compared to the overall market. Changes in hybrid sales were weaker than the overall market. For the year as a whole, battery electrics and plug ins had strong growth as compared to 2016, while hybrids were up modestly and diesel sales were down.
For the year, BEVs were over 100,000 units or 0.6 percent of total sales. Plug-ins were just behind at 90,000 units or just over 0.5 percent of sales. Hybrids exceeded 360,000 units (up from 2016) at 2.1 percent of total sales. Diesel sales were down at fewer than 100,000 units or 0.55 percent of sales. Fuel cell vehicles totaled almost 2,300 copies, with the obvious problem of lack of infrastructure limiting sales.
December was a good month for battery electric vehicles, with the Bolt EV hitting another all-time high at over 3,000 units. The Bolt came close to 25,000 sales for the year, and was not fully available until mid-year. Normalcy returned in December with the Model S outselling the Model X, but Model 3 sales were disappointing (again) at just over 1,000 units. Tesla has stated that they are close to 1,000 Model 3s produced weekly, but the timetable for production of 5,000 units per week has been pushed into the second quarter of this year. For the year, U.S. sales of the Model S were down 9 percent while the Model X grew by 20 percent. While the Leaf had yet another poor month, production of the new version has begun so volumes will increase in the coming months. Production of the Fiat 500 electric may end soon as the underlying model is on the way out. Honda’s Clarity Electric sold over 500 copies in December, and volumes should continue to build.
Plug-in hybrids surged from November, but were flat as compared to December 2016. The Prius Prime and Chevy Volt continued to pace the category, and both models enjoyed increases from November 2017. The Volt was down from December 2016 and for the year as a whole. There appears to be some movement of customers from the Volt to the Bolt as the vehicles are priced similarly and the range of the Bolt is winning customers. The Honda Clarity Plug In is now available and sales will grow in coming months. The Prius Prime continues to sell well; December 2017 sales were the best since May 2014 (when the vehicle was marketed under a different name).
The hybrid category had another middling month with sales down from December 2016 and up modestly from November 2017. The segment leaders did relatively well with the exception of the Prius Liftback, which has struggled all year. The Toyota RAV4 and Ford Fusion had good months and for that matter good years, with the Fusion growing by 70 percent. This category is a tale of winners and losers, with vehicles like the Toyota Highlander and Honda Accord doing well with the Camry and Prius Liftback and Prius C declining. Hybrids represent 2 percent of total sales for the year, which is in line with its share throughout 2016 and 2017. However, this share is likely to increase in coming years as additional products become available.
The diesel segment continues to be relatively small, with the Ford Transit and the reappearance of the Ram Pickup (albeit still not fully available) leading the category. Going into 2018, sales of the Ram Pickup will continue to build as the current version continues while the new Ram Pickup starts production in coming months. Both of these products will offer the EcoDiesel. Most of the rest of the vehicles in the category will continue to be offered in limited volumes.
The HybridCars.com monthly sales Dashboard is a collaboration of HybridCars.com and Baum & Associates, a Michigan-based market research firm focusing on automotive issues including the hybrid and electric vehicle market.
Sales for the year ended strongly for a total of 17.1 million, which is a banner result even if it is down by 2 percent from 2016.
December is traditionally a good month for auto sales as automakers seek to make their year-end goals. Plug-ins, battery electrics, and diesels all had stronger growth versus November and December 2016 as compared to the overall market. Changes in hybrid sales were weaker than the overall market. For the year as a whole, battery electrics and plug ins had strong growth as compared to 2016, while hybrids were up modestly and diesel sales were down.
For the year, BEVs were over 100,000 units or 0.6 percent of total sales. Plug-ins were just behind at 90,000 units or just over 0.5 percent of sales. Hybrids exceeded 360,000 units (up from 2016) at 2.1 percent of total sales. Diesel sales were down at fewer than 100,000 units or 0.55 percent of sales. Fuel cell vehicles totaled almost 2,300 copies, with the obvious problem of lack of infrastructure limiting sales.
December was a good month for battery electric vehicles, with the Bolt EV hitting another all-time high at over 3,000 units. The Bolt came close to 25,000 sales for the year, and was not fully available until mid-year. Normalcy returned in December with the Model S outselling the Model X, but Model 3 sales were disappointing (again) at just over 1,000 units. Tesla has stated that they are close to 1,000 Model 3s produced weekly, but the timetable for production of 5,000 units per week has been pushed into the second quarter of this year. For the year, U.S. sales of the Model S were down 9 percent while the Model X grew by 20 percent. While the Leaf had yet another poor month, production of the new version has begun so volumes will increase in the coming months. Production of the Fiat 500 electric may end soon as the underlying model is on the way out. Honda’s Clarity Electric sold over 500 copies in December, and volumes should continue to build.
Plug-in hybrids surged from November, but were flat as compared to December 2016. The Prius Prime and Chevy Volt continued to pace the category, and both models enjoyed increases from November 2017. The Volt was down from December 2016 and for the year as a whole. There appears to be some movement of customers from the Volt to the Bolt as the vehicles are priced similarly and the range of the Bolt is winning customers. The Honda Clarity Plug In is now available and sales will grow in coming months. The Prius Prime continues to sell well; December 2017 sales were the best since May 2014 (when the vehicle was marketed under a different name).
The hybrid category had another middling month with sales down from December 2016 and up modestly from November 2017. The segment leaders did relatively well with the exception of the Prius Liftback, which has struggled all year. The Toyota RAV4 and Ford Fusion had good months and for that matter good years, with the Fusion growing by 70 percent. This category is a tale of winners and losers, with vehicles like the Toyota Highlander and Honda Accord doing well with the Camry and Prius Liftback and Prius C declining. Hybrids represent 2 percent of total sales for the year, which is in line with its share throughout 2016 and 2017. However, this share is likely to increase in coming years as additional products become available.
The diesel segment continues to be relatively small, with the Ford Transit and the reappearance of the Ram Pickup (albeit still not fully available) leading the category. Going into 2018, sales of the Ram Pickup will continue to build as the current version continues while the new Ram Pickup starts production in coming months. Both of these products will offer the EcoDiesel. Most of the rest of the vehicles in the category will continue to be offered in limited volumes.
01-05-18, 10:34 AM
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interesting how the article shows a pic of the trendy tesla 3, but tesla doesn't even show on the pie chart. 
also interesting that prius is fading while rav4 hybrid doing well showing people don't want fugly 'look at me' hybrids and do want hybrids with no compromise and utes make the most sense.
also interesting that prius is fading while rav4 hybrid doing well showing people don't want fugly 'look at me' hybrids and do want hybrids with no compromise and utes make the most sense.
01-05-18, 12:43 PM
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http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...-7-year-streak
U.S. sales slip in 2017, ending 7-year streak
December SAAR is strong despite declines at most automakers
U.S. new light-vehicle sales slipped 5 percent in December and dipped 1.8 percent to 17.25 million for all of 2017 -- ending a string of 7 annual gains that had propelled the industry to new highs following the 2008-09 market collapse.After hitting a record 17.55 million in 2016, annual light-vehicle sales fell for the first time since 2009 while topping 17 million units for the 3rd straight year and just the 5th time in history.
Even with the dip in December volume, the seasonally adjusted, annualized pace sales came in at 17.86 million in December, among the year's strongest months.
Car sales slipped 17 percent last month while light truck demand edged up 1.6 percent. For the year, car deliveries slid 11 percent and truck volume rose 4.4 percent.
Among leading automakers, General Motors, Toyota, FCA, Nissan and Honda posted declines in U.S. deliveries in December while Ford advanced.
Ford’s 1.3 percent increase marked its fourth straight monthly gain. GM fell 3.3 percent and FCA US was off as both companies pared back shipments to daily rental companies. Volume dipped 8.3% at Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., 9.5% at Nissan North America and 7% at American Honda, though Nissan and Honda both set sales records for the year.
The results come in comparison to a robust December a year earlier, when the 5th-highest seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of all time was recorded.Analysts had forecast that December would mark the 10th monthly drop of 2017 -- despite being the strongest month for raw volume.
“In 2017, we had solid GDP growth and good news on employment, wages and consumer sentiment, which helped deliver very strong retail sales for the auto industry,” Mustafa Mohatarem, GM’s chief economist, said in a statement.
He forecast that light-vehicle sales this year will be in the high 16 million-unit range as income gains stemming from U.S. tax reform are offset by rising interest rates.
U.S. sales of the Ford F-Series pickup totaled 896,764, up 9.3 percent, in 2017. Photo credit: DAVID PHILLIPS
General Motors' sales slipped 3.3 percent behind a decline of 2.9 percent at Chevrolet and 29 percent at Cadillac, even as the company fattened deals. Volume rose 4.7 percent at Buick and 1.2 percent at GMC. GM continues to trim daily rental shipments but said it set new annual sales records for pickup and crossover deliveries, electric vehicle sales and average transaction prices.
At Toyota Motor, volume fell 8.3 percent to 222,985 with sales off 7.2 percent at the Toyota brand and 14 percent at Lexus. Light-truck deliveries, a bright spot for Toyota all year, dropped 5.6 percent last month.
FCA US reported a sales decline of 11 percent as the company dials back on fleet business. Led by a drop in volume of 12 percent at Jeep and 6.9 percent at Ram, every FCA brand except Chrysler and Alfa Romeo posted a decline in deliveries last month.
Honda Motor volume fell 7 percent on weaker car demand, with December sales off 6.3 percent at the Honda Division and 12 percent at Acura. Still, American Honda set an annual sales record of 1,641,429 units in 2017 -- an increase of 0.2 percent.
At Nissan, volume slipped 9.4 percent at the Nissan brand and 10 percent at Infiniti, yet Nissan still finished with 2017 U.S. sales of 1,593,464, up 1.9 percent for a new annual high.
The Hyundai brand notched its first monthly gain, year over year, with a 1.8 percent increase in December U.S. volume.
Subaru extended its U.S. sales gains to 73 months year over year with a 0.3 percent increase in December deliveries. It was the company's smallest monthly increase of the year but enough to set an annual record of 647,956 cars and light trucks.
December sales dropped 21 percent at Kia, 6.5 percent at Mazda and 19 percent at the Volkswagen brand. Mitsubishi posted a 15 percent increase in December deliveries.
Ford, Nissan and Hyundai also benefited from a spike in rental and fleet business last month.
Among other luxury brands, volume last month rose 10 percent at Mercedes, 4.3 percent at BMW and 16 percent at Audi but dropped 21 percent at Jaguar, 3.6 percent at Land Rover and 2.5 percent at Porsche.
"Automakers pull out all the stops to eke out every last sale before the end of the year,” said Edmunds analyst Jessica Caldwell. “With sales tapering off, we could be in for a high-stakes incentive war in 2018.”
While the tax reform bill signed by President Donald Trump is expected to provide a lift to U.S. sales, analysts say any gains may be negated by rising interest rates.
SpiffsThe average new-vehicle incentive was tracking at $4,302 in the first few weeks of December, J.D. Power says. Year-end deals were projected to lift that figure to a record.
Led by GM, where discounts averaged just over $5,000 last month, industry incentives rose 2.4 percent last month to $3,844, up from $3,756 in December 2016, ALG estimated. (See chart below.)
Among the offers, the Volkswagen brand dangled deals with zero due at signing, no down payment, no security deposit and a 1st-month payment of nothing on many models. Buick offered up to 25 percent off the suggested retail price on remaining 2017 crossovers.
Quotable“This year, many consumers will see their take-home pay rise because of tax reform," said GM's Mohatarem. "That will keep the broad economy growing, and help keep sales at very healthy levels even as the Fed increases interest rates.”
Odds & Ends
- Among automakers, GM, Ford, Honda, Nissan, Jaguar Land Rover, Mercedes, Toyota, Subaru, Volvo and VW Group gained U.S. market share in 2017, while only four companies -- BMW, FCA, Mazda, and Hyundai-Kia -- lost ground.
- The Toyota Camry remained the top-selling car in the U.S. in 2017, with sales of 387,081, well ahead of the Honda Civic at No. 2, with volume of 377,286. The Civic was ahead by 2,130 at the end of November.
- There were 26 selling days last month vs. 27 in December 2016.
- Among major automakers, Fiat Chrysler and Hyundai-Kia failed to post a single monthly sales gain, year over year, in 2017. Among brands, Fiat, Jeep and Smart fell short of a monthly advance, year over year, in 2017.
- Incentives, expressed as a percentage of MSRP, stood at 11.2 percent in early December, exceeding the 10 percent threshold for the 17th time over the last 18 months, J.D. Power says.
- Average transaction prices closed the year on a strong note, rising nearly 2 percent in December 2017 to $36,113, a record high, mostly behind strong light-truck demand, Kelley Blue Book says.
- Average new-vehicle transaction prices for all of 2017 finished 2 percent higher than last year, slightly slower growth than 2015 and 2016, at 2.5 percent, Kelley Blue Book says.
December incentive outlays for U.S.ManufacturerDec. 2017 ForecastDec. 2016Nov. 2017Percent change vs Dec. 2016Percent change vs Nov. 2017BMW (BMW, Mini)$5,312$5,819$5,397-8.7%-1.6%Daimler Mercedes-Benz, Smart)$5,003$4,797$5,1864.3%-3.5%FCA (Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Fiat)$4,260$4,275$4,226-0.3%0.8%Ford (Ford, Lincoln)$4,662$4,240$4,6679.9%-0.1%GM (Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC)$5,007$4,797$4,7704.4%5%Honda (Acura, Honda)$2,006$2,152$1,954-6.8%2.7%Hyundai$3,095$2,622$3,14718%-1.6%Kia$3,413$3,369$3,4391.3%-0.7%Nissan (Nissan, Infiniti)$4,368$4,330$4,3720.9%-0.1%Subaru$1,264$1,183$1,2426.9%1.8%Toyota (Lexus, Scion, Toyota)$2,840$2,840$2,7840%2%Volkswagen (Audi, Porsche, Volkswagen)$3,808$4,541$3,806-16%0.1%Industry$3,844$3,756$3,8032.4%1.1%
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