Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

2018 Kia Stinger

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 06:36 PM
  #271  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,574
Likes: 265
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by MattyG
In the television world and for that matter, the youtube online video world - Alex on Autos is a producer and scriptwriter. He just happens to be a producer/writer/host because, as I said, the online world is about leveraging clicks at the lowest possible cost. Doesn't mean it's the best product out there.

Alex needs an on cam host, and a video editor/producer. Unfortunately, he does not do well with on cam telegenic stuff. That's my point.

In a word, Alex reviews. He doesn't go in front of the camera to make a show of himself.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 06:39 PM
  #272  
corradoMR2's Avatar
corradoMR2
The pursuit of F
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,296
Likes: 303
From: Toronto, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by LexBob2
I've read and seen a lot of Stinger reviews and no matter ones preference for the sources, they seem to be nearly unanimously positive. My guess is that it will sell very well in its segment. Even the reviled CR gives it thumbs up in the review I looked at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z23ztuujxfA
Thanks for the find. I disagree with their claim on the stiff ride but agree with everything else including the premium quality interior - it's what impressed me the most about this car.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 06:50 PM
  #273  
MattyG's Avatar
MattyG
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,300
Likes: 4
From: RightHere
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
In a word, Alex reviews. He doesn't go in front of the camera to make a show of himself.
I know right? I see your point.
Attached Thumbnails 2018 Kia Stinger-a1.png   2018 Kia Stinger-a2.png   2018 Kia Stinger-a3.png   2018 Kia Stinger-a4.png  
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 07:19 PM
  #274  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,244
Likes: 275
Default

Originally Posted by MattyG
In the television world and for that matter, the youtube online video world - Alex on Autos is a producer and scriptwriter. He just happens to be a producer/writer/host because, as I said, the online world is about leveraging clicks at the lowest possible cost. Doesn't mean it's the best product out there.

Alex needs an on cam host, and a video editor/producer. Unfortunately, he does not do well with on cam telegenic stuff. That's my point.
your problem with guys like Alex is that they are not part of some large company such as CR... but thats actually the good part about Alex and similar guys
CR does not review EVER vehicles as detailed in their videos, because they want you to buy their magazine.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 07:31 PM
  #275  
MattyG's Avatar
MattyG
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,300
Likes: 4
From: RightHere
Default

Originally Posted by spwolf
your problem with guys like Alex is that they are not part of some large company such as CR... but thats actually the good part about Alex and similar guys
CR does not review EVER vehicles as detailed in their videos, because they want you to buy their magazine.
Alex on Autos Youtube 186K subscribers.

CR subscribers. 3.2 million digital. 7 million overall. And they've been at it for a long time. Alex is just a new media guy like all the others, nothing special about him. He's leveraging online video, that's about it.

Where does Alex on Autos get his vehicles? CR buys them like regular people.

Amateur stuff is nice and digital is the new way of doing things, doesn't mean it's better.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 08:18 PM
  #276  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,917
Likes: 4,055
Default

Originally Posted by MattyG
Lol. There is so much amateurish camera/editing work meant to be consumed as cheap hamburger as a way of driving clicks, that you just shake your head with this stuff. ... is this about some Youtube guy waving his arms and getting his gigantic hands/thumb into the shot with crude editing and sunglass-wearing "host"? Rule no. 1 - you don't wear sunglasses when the cam is on you if you want to connect with your audience.
if you think AoA is bad, check out this guy, sunglasses 'n all too.


The reason the so-called "bad guys" ie. CR are being yelled at is that they have pros working on their video/editing.
CR may have 'pros' doing video/editing, but they have total whiny dorks doing the reviews themselves.

Originally Posted by spwolf
Alex in question has pretty good editing and provides way more information than CR videos ever will.


Originally Posted by spwolf
I agree, you don't have to agree with the reviewers, but with video reviews, they are just so much more informative than regular written ones... With text, writer can write whatever they want and have their own little preferences you know nothing about... but with video you are seeing it with your own eyes, it makes it much more legitimate right away.

Plus there are at least 4-5 good ones, and watching all of them for particular vehicle will likely give you really good set of information that you need to know before getting into the showroom.


Originally Posted by spwolf
your problem with guys like Alex is that they are not part of some large company such as CR... but thats actually the good part about Alex and similar guys
CR does not review EVER vehicles as detailed in their videos, because they want you to buy their magazine.


Originally Posted by MattyG
Alex on Autos Youtube 186K subscribers.
CR subscribers. 3.2 million digital. 7 million overall. And they've been at it for a long time.
cheap (and irrelevant) shot because alex doesn't review washing machines, air conditioners, hair dryers and other stuff.

Alex is just a new media guy like all the others, nothing special about him. He's leveraging online video, that's about it.
that's like saying snapchat is just a social sharing photo and video app.

Where does Alex on Autos get his vehicles? CR buys them like regular people.
i and most couldn't care less.

Amateur stuff is nice and digital is the new way of doing things, doesn't mean it's better.
everyone has to start somewhere and the automotive world is FAR, FAR better off because of these youtube pioneers.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 08:36 PM
  #277  
MattyG's Avatar
MattyG
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,300
Likes: 4
From: RightHere
Default

Aside from the usual suspects with the anti-CR bash. Here's the real point. I don't care where everybody "starts". I care about informative properly done PRO stuff. You don't need to be the big guys.

https://www.thebalance.com/tips-shoo...rapher-2315393

Snapchat? Huh?

http://fortune.com/2018/01/20/leaked-snap-memo/

Yet, the same crowd here loves the big stuff from big companies. Not too long ago it was all about the Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson and all of them. Pro stuff. Sunglasses here?

Reply
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 08:55 PM
  #278  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,574
Likes: 265
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by MattyG
Not too long ago it was all about the Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson and all of them.
Although there are some exceptions here and there, most of the time, Clarkson is not what I would call a legitimate reviewer. His style is just not conducive to serious analysis. Depending on what kind of mood he is in at any given moment, his style varies between that of an automotive entertainer and a clown.
Reply
ClubLexus Stories

Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe

story-0

2026 Lexus IS 350 F Sport Review: The Last of Its Kind Still Rocks

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Most Confusing Things Lexus Has Ever Done!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2026 Lexus ES Review: Lexus Re-Embraces Founding Principles

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

10 Lexus Bargains That are Cheaper Than a New Toyota RAV4

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

8 Weirdest Things Lexus Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jan 22, 2018 | 10:20 PM
  #279  
oldcajun's Avatar
oldcajun
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,419
Likes: 52
From: AZ
Default

At his best, Clarkson is a clown. I have never seen anything he did that had any data, just his screwball take. Alex, at least, provides data that is useful.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2018 | 06:17 AM
  #280  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,917
Likes: 4,055
Default

Clarkson just does opinion pieces. Funny though.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2018 | 11:28 AM
  #281  
RNM GS3's Avatar
RNM GS3
Lexus Test Driver
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,224
Likes: 256
From: New York
Default

I much prefer the YouTube reviewers rather than big companies.

Savagegeese does reviews that CR or other big companies can only dream of.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2018 | 01:15 PM
  #282  
LH1's Avatar
LH1
Pole Position
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,454
Likes: 554
From: PA
Default

Originally Posted by RNM GS3
I much prefer the YouTube reviewers rather than big companies.

Savagegeese does reviews that CR or other big companies can only dream of.
Savagegeese reviews are brilliant. His surly, grumpy mechanic guy has even grown on me.

Regarding the Stinger, I love it. Really hope the V8 model that's been speculated happens.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2018 | 05:37 PM
  #283  
MattyG's Avatar
MattyG
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,300
Likes: 4
From: RightHere
Default

Originally Posted by LH1
Savagegeese reviews are brilliant. His surly, grumpy mechanic guy has even grown on me.

Regarding the Stinger, I love it. Really hope the V8 model that's been speculated happens.
Agreed, much better camera tech and editing. You can see those guys really spend some money on trying to make their reviews look good but the on air presentation is also pretty good. But yeah, the Stinger is a very good placeholder for Kia right now even if it doesn't catch the attention of a core group of buyers in this market. Lots of possibilities with a rwd platform.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2018 | 10:20 PM
  #284  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,917
Likes: 4,055
Default

Originally Posted by MattyG
Agreed, much better camera tech and editing.
you felt AoA reviews are too long, but Savagegeese reviews are often 30+ minutes... but i agree the camera work / editing is good but i think the guy is just trying way too hard to sound macho and cool.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2018 | 01:53 PM
  #285  
arentz07's Avatar
arentz07
Moderator
5 Year Member
Shutterbug
Community Influencer
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 9,617
Likes: 4,804
From: GA
Default

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
you felt AoA reviews are too long, but Savagegeese reviews are often 30+ minutes... but i agree the camera work / editing is good but i think the guy is just trying way too hard to sound macho and cool.
Macho?

SavageGeese reviews do sometimes get long-winded, as well. The LC 500 review was pretty long. However, his presentation is always really top-notch - great lighting, editing, and just generally well-placed shots.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:44 AM.

story-0
2026 Lexus IS 350 F Sport Review: The Last of Its Kind Still Rocks

Slideshow: the 2026 IS 350 isn't all that new, and that's why we love it!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-04 14:35:23


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Confusing Things Lexus Has Ever Done!

Slideshow: 10 most confusing things Lexus has ever done.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-04 09:40:55


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Lexus ES Review: Lexus Re-Embraces Founding Principles

Slideshow: Our First-Drive Review of the 2026 Lexus ES!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-29 20:30:16


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Lexus Bargains That are Cheaper Than a New Toyota RAV4

Slideshow: 10 Lexus bargain that are cheaper than a new Toyota.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 10:28:20


VIEW MORE
story-4
8 Weirdest Things Lexus Has Ever Built

Slideshow: From hoverboards to luxury yachts, these are the strangest projects Lexus has ever attached its badge to.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-16 11:34:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Some luxury cars chase trends, but these Lexus models look better now than they did when they first rolled into showrooms.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-06 17:58:29


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!

Slideshow: How to Get the Best Fuel Economy with a Hybrid and Plug-In Hybrid!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-05 20:54:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers

Slideshow: 10 best Lexus models no one remembers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 17:33:28


VIEW MORE
story-8
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

Slideshow: diving into 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium's pricing, performance, fuel economy, features, and amenities!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-23 13:09:18


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

Slideshow: the 10 Lexus and Toyota vehicles you need to drive before you die.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-23 10:34:24


VIEW MORE