mmarshall

Or, for that matter, if one even tries to compare those two names to the former Isuzu Ascender...a rebadged Chevy Trail Blazer.

ABC

I really hope they eventually make an sti variant!

mmarshall

An STI 7-seater? Come on.

Fizzboy7

I was being sarcastic to prove how similar the two sound. The confusion will come within the household of the owners.
It's ironic you mentioned firstworldproblems. Was just talking to my business neighbor today about how we're turning into a third world country since the passing of the last two props that let everyone out of jail and made hard crimes simple slaps on the wrist. The crime in my area has tripled within two years. I spend more time babysitting and kicking out transients and crackheads than actually making business. But I digress.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

when you say "we" assume you're talking about california. looked up props and do you mean 57?
https://ballotpedia.org/California_P...irements_(2016)

Fizzboy7

Yes to all. Plus two other similar props. It's the biggest thing to happen in my business and home area. But big time off-topic. This should move to the other forum. I could go on forever with what's changed since those passed.

So, how's that Ascent doing?

SLegacy99

Should sell well. At least it's running a 4 cylinder turbo and not the 3.6L H6 which never has offered very much in the ways of power and efficiency.

theory816

Well part of it is not that its difficult to produce, its that there are certain concept designs that can't be put into production, because of safety standards. A lot of concepts don't play well with real world physics, which is why you don't see them in production. But even if it can be done, it might be too expensive to implement. For example, stretch rear taillights get scratched from production because it would cost the company millions more to produce. But thats kinda why I like Dodge vehicles. It's like they got insulted and went all out on their taillights.

pbm317

Thanks Theory, I'm well versed on the tradeoffs and costs between production and concept cars. I agree that the Dodge vehicles have a very striking signature lighting element in the rear. Love the racetrack taillights. I'm just saying that Subaru seems to translate their concepts the worst. They way overpromise with some striking concepts and then under deliver. Honda/Acura on the other end of the spectrum, seemingly take the production car and then back it into a concept car. Basically just put a standard wheel package on it, and then put on real mirrors instead of the little camera arms that they typically use.

In any case, the Ascent will undoubtedly sell well, will be interesting to see if it cannibalizes some of the Outback's sales. I know it's 2 row vs 3 row.

mmarshall

So you think it will do better than the ill-fated Tribeca?

Johnhav430

Now that I've seen those tests online where a Subaru has the ability to pull itself up an incline when only one wheel has traction, whereas Toyota, Honda, VW, Ford, consistently fail, it's got me curious. Do all cars short of Range Rover and real trucks all fail? We get the you pay what we pay employee pricing at work, which a) isn't true b) isn't that good lol

But I'd like to see more tests myself

mmarshall

One of the advantages of Subaru's AWD system vs. other systems (besides the balanced, Symmetrical layout) is tha the system is full-time, and torque-splits all of the power, all of the time, to all four wheels. A number of other so-called "full-time" systems are essentially FWD or RWD until the primary drive wheels start to slip, then shift the power, through the center differential, to the wheels still with traction. That is slightly more efficient overall, and may save a little fuel, but, as the tests show, less-efficient at getting going under truly slippery conditions, where the Subaru units really shine.

Audi's famed Quattro system used to be like Subaru's (true full-time, with torque-split)...but recently, to save some fuel, has been reprogrammed to be like the torque-on-demand systems which work only if the drive wheels get stuck.

pbm317

Absolutely. This has a standard design and proportions, and 3 row crossovers are in demand everywhere.

Johnhav430

If I were a betting man I'd say this car is a winner. Now when they say 72.6 cu ft., is this comparable to an Enclave with 115, or 97? It really can't replace a Traverse per se, but it probably does a very good job for smaller families and everyday....If you read the brochure it basically beats the competition in every way lol It's probably the one you want at Killington, while the Toyotas and Hondas and VWs are all stuck....

pbm317