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Do you guys really think they won't make it handle great?
What is the matter here.
Musk drops 2 miracles and folks are bitshing left and right
Imagine how the truck will improve traffic, getting those crapbox Internationals off the road (the Cry Slurs of heavy trucking).
This Roadster thing will have the Ferrari, VW, MB and McLaren C suite folks looking for answers (disruption can be fun)
As good as these developments are for Tesla, the question is: are they going to deliver when they say they're going to deliver. The Model 3 is way behind production goals and is also experiencing fit/finish issues. You can get away with wonder-struck and eager Model 3 buyers who have created a backlog, but you can't do that when you ask $250K for a car or build up expectations with the commercial trucking industry. That's real money at risk.
Currently you can buy a diesel tractor unit that can go 1000 miles for about $120K. It's available right now for medium to long haul. Tesla's will be a short haul day cab maybe a medium haul. It comes down to pricing and recharging options. Those four motors are going to need super-charging to make sure no freight gets abandoned or delayed.
I'm pleasantly blown away in a time when very few technological advances impress. This is one of those. HE is moving the chips making other auto companies get off their back ends and start DOING something. This is huge a paradigm shift. . It''s great to be in the front seat watching this develop as our grandparents probably did with cars, flight, moon landing, computers and phones. While not on that order and didn't get a chance see all that we have this at least followed soon by self driving cars everywhere. Seems like technology is in overdrive lately.
A friend has the new Apple watch. Amazing gadget.
Styling.... acceptable but not at all gorgeous. It's styling is still a bit corporate like their other models.
0-60 is deservedly amazing.
250mph+ top speed is also very impressive and up there with Bugatti and Koenigsegg.
It should handle exceptionally well for $250k+
2+2 seating is very good
Claimed range is very good
The interior and dashboard... boring. And lacking. It's a supercar meant to drive. Keep the sloped screen if necessary but put in a basic instrument cluster over the steering wheel or at least a HUD. I see that jumping from $40k-ish for a Model 3 with no dash cluster to $250k for a Roadster gets you a tiny little strip of LEDs over the steering wheel. Wow... that's just... overwhelming (sarcasm). The current Model S dash is a bargain in comparison. Point being... a supercar costing this much will be driven. It's a rich person's driver's toy. The last thing you want while controlling this much performance is to be forced to look away from the road. Musk knows and understands this. He's a brilliant man. He's therefore very much married to this idea that even with his own toy supercar design the driver's role should not be emphasized while self-driving functions should take precedence... even in a Lambo/Ferrari competitor. That makes no sense. Including the Autopilot functions... *sigh*... fine... ok... that's a Tesla staple now... but a dedicated high performance car still has a certain purpose. It's not the same as his boring commuter car Model 3.
The steering wheel... yeah, these looked cool in 80's sci-fi designs and futurist art from Syd Mead but realistically I want to know how I am supposed to use that steering wheel effectively lock to lock. Maybe he's chosen a ridiculously short steering ratio. Maybe this model's steering wheel isn't even using a steering shaft any longer with a variable steering input programming. Still... I'd love to know more about this and see how someone like Chris Harris evaluates this steering "wheel" design when really pushing the car on the track and attempting to rapidly give the car opposite lock in a corner drift.
I await independent tests driving the living **** out of the new Roadster on the Nurburgring for several laps in a row (at least three) and on other highly technical racetracks that involve a lot of rapid speeding up and slowing down over and over. I want to see its battery NOT overheat and trigger a limp power mode as has happened with some Model S P models.
I absolutely am convinced this will not be an issue as time marches forward and technology improves but Tesla, for all their lofty "smackdown" claims, still have yet to SHOW their highest performance models handle more than just a handful of Ludicrous or Plaid 0-60 sprints with ease. 1.9 seconds to 60 is still extremely impressive(!) that's not the only kind of high performance this car has to demonstrate.
As of yet, notice how few people tend to track their Model S P-series or old Roadsters? Drag racing... sure. With this much instant torque and voltage that's not difficult. That's a very short sprint in a straight line.
Also, given that this is a supercar and also given that Quaife was contracted by 3rd parties to make a mechanical LSD for the Model S rear drive unit I fully expect Tesla to offer one in their supercar toy. For that extravagant money, skip the brake-based "LSD effect" and install a real limited slip differential, thanks.
For a near production prototype it is a highly impressive supercar. In that price and vehicle territory, however, even once you get beyond an internal combustion engine you do demand certain things.
As good as these developments are for Tesla, the question is: are they going to deliver when they say they're going to deliver. The Model 3 is way behind production goals and is also experiencing fit/finish issues. You can get away with wonder-struck and eager Model 3 buyers who have created a backlog, but you can't do that when you ask $250K for a car or build up expectations with the commercial trucking industry. That's real money at risk.
Currently you can buy a diesel tractor unit that can go 1000 miles for about $120K. It's available right now for medium to long haul. Tesla's will be a short haul day cab maybe a medium haul. It comes down to pricing and recharging options. Those four motors are going to need super-charging to make sure no freight gets abandoned or delayed.
if the semi ends up costing 500k or something, its a deal breaker to truckers. Truckers arent going to give a crap about 0-60 also. They want range, price, efficiency, and wont tolerate any downtime
I just received this via Whatsapp yesterday.
I am wondering if these 0-60 in 5 secs, or 1.9 secs can be used as weapons of some degree of mass destruction, such that they should be banned?
musk really is a PR master. announcing the under 2 second mark (has that been verified by ANYONE?) for 0-60 was of course guaranteed to get all kinds of excited coverage. musk is an even better PR guy than steve jobs but at least jobs delivered when he said he was going to generally and didn't announce things YEARS and YEARS before they're going to be available.
and kinda makes all those 'camo'd' cars seem kind of ridiculous now, no?
musk really is a PR master. announcing the under 2 second mark (has that been verified by ANYONE?) for 0-60 was of course guaranteed to get all kinds of excited coverage. musk is an even better PR guy than steve jobs but at least jobs delivered when he said he was going to generally and didn't announce things YEARS and YEARS before they're going to be available.
and kinda makes all those 'camo'd' cars seem kind of ridiculous now, no?
Yes he is but then again he learned his trade in the Silicon Valley entrepreneurial hothouse. I think if Musk and Jobs were ever in the same room together, you wonder who'd be trying to one up the other to get attention. Apple delivers when they say they're going to release their product like you say.
I'm just wondering. Do people want a trucker delivering their fancy furniture or say a load of eggs doing 0-60 in 5 secs repeatedly?
Lol, yeah he wanted people to know that his vehicles are fast. To address the other post about context: he made the unveil with a fast roadster and chose to unveil the truck at the same time, implying how fast his vehicles are and how easy to drive they are. In order to find out the concept truck's estimated real performance, you have to dig deeper. The class 8 Tesla semi is only 10 seconds faster to highway speed compared to a regular diesel (20 seconds).
Walmart and Canadian grocery chain Loblaw have ordered 15 and 25 of the semis so far. But what are these going to cost? There's a famous debacle recently with Bombardier and its C series jet and how Delta got them for dirt cheap to launch them in the US.
20 seconds to 60 is 1/3 less time than the current rigs take, and that will make a big impact on traffic
Said another way for spin purposes, the current rigs take 50% longer than the Tesla Semi to reach 60 mph
Add to that the semi autonomous and auto braking stuff, which means you won't have a truck hanging way back from traffic and that will also improve flow
The Bombadier story is unclear to me. Super plane, adoption has been an issue, subsidized by the Canadian gov't to get sales, US Gov't strikes back with a tariff. I would like to fly in one, once all the BS is sorted out.
20 seconds to 60 is 1/3 less time than the current rigs take, and that will make a big impact on traffic
Said another way for spin purposes, the current rigs take 50% longer than the Tesla Semi to reach 60 mph
Add to that the semi autonomous and auto braking stuff, which means you won't have a truck hanging way back from traffic and that will also improve flow
The Bombadier story is unclear to me. Super plane, adoption has been an issue, subsidized by the Canadian gov't to get sales, US Gov't strikes back with a tariff. I would like to fly in one, once all the BS is sorted out.
In stop and go traffic? 10 seconds shaved off a slow moving rig that's basically trying to ease to highway speed, or maybe then end up stopping all over again? IMHO, that's ok but not a big deal. Trucking does not run on 0-60 obviously but more with on-time and least amount of fuel etc. The only place that 0-60 for a trucker matters is in a Smokey and the Bandit movie. Slow trucker ahead of you? Signal and pass. They're actually better drivers than a large part of the population.
Bombardier had to sell Delta its C series jets at a roughly 60 percent discount in order to get a major US carrier to buy, ie. subsidizing for a launch customer. Is Tesla ready to the the same for Walmart? Because that company likes to cut to the bone for costs in order to pass savings on to the end customer.
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