CT6, LC500, Camry, Lacrosse, Continental...are these cars selling?
11-17-17, 09:00 PM
#106
The other HUGE mistake with the the LC500 besides high price and low power is the complete lack of AWD option.
Not sure what Lexus was thinking.
Most ppl will no longer touch a RWD luxury car with a 10foot pole.
There is a reason pretty much even all ///M and AMG cars will be AWD, ppl feel they are safer.
Not sure what Lexus was thinking.
Most ppl will no longer touch a RWD luxury car with a 10foot pole.
There is a reason pretty much even all ///M and AMG cars will be AWD, ppl feel they are safer.
Steve
11-17-17, 09:20 PM
#107
Lexus Fanatic
I seriously doubt your statement about "most people" and AWD. I personally don't want AWD on my car. It is heavier, slower (usually), and more complex thus less reliable than RWD. A very large portion of the population of the US now reside in areas where winter weather is not a factor. The only exceptions for me are FWD cars like Audi, Continental, etc that need the AWD for balance. The LC will never be a big seller for two main reasons: 1) It is basically a 2 seater 2) it is pretty expensive. Acura is finding the same with the NSX and it is fast and has AWD.
Steve
Steve
11-18-17, 05:59 AM
#109
Lexus Fanatic
CT6, LC500, Camry, Lacrosse, Continental...are these cars selling?
No....except maybe for the Camry.
11-18-17, 06:52 AM
#111
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
11-18-17, 07:28 AM
#112
Lexus Test Driver
I seriously doubt your statement about "most people" and AWD. I personally don't want AWD on my car. It is heavier, slower (usually), and more complex thus less reliable than RWD. A very large portion of the population of the US now reside in areas where winter weather is not a factor. The only exceptions for me are FWD cars like Audi, Continental, etc that need the AWD for balance. The LC will never be a big seller for two main reasons: 1) It is basically a 2 seater 2) it is pretty expensive. Acura is finding the same with the NSX and it is fast and has AWD.
Steve
Steve
Like i said there is a reason why ///M and AMG are going all AWD - this is what the overall consumer wants.
Also its funny i was at a BMW event where they compared AWD vs RWD 5series and asked the participants what they like better. Overwhelmingly it was AWD, the instructors had a bewildered look on their face lol.
The guys that want NA engine, Manual and RWD are a minority.
11-18-17, 07:33 AM
#113
Lexus Test Driver
Thats why MB and BMW have had awd option for years. Lexus is alway catching up.
I will guarantee you the LC lost a bunch of sales in Norheast from existing Lexus owners due to lack of AWD.
11-18-17, 08:20 AM
#114
Lexus Fanatic
Probably truth on both sides. Yes, people in the Snow Belt do tend to like AWD (witness, for instance, the sheer number of Subaru sales in that region). But, on the other hand, a lot of folks who regularly drive around in the white stuff probably wouldn't want to take a really nice car car like the LC, even with AWD, out in it, and let the salt, sand, and abrasives on the road screw up the traditionally nice Lexus paint job.
11-18-17, 08:50 AM
#115
Lexus Test Driver
Probably truth on both sides. Yes, people in the Snow Belt do tend to like AWD (witness, for instance, the sheer number of Subaru sales in that region). But, on the other hand, a lot of folks who regularly drive around in the white stuff probably wouldn't want to take a really nice car car like the LC, even with AWD, out in it, and let the salt, sand, and abrasives on the road screw up the traditionally nice Lexus paint job.
They just upgrade to something new in 3years.
11-18-17, 12:11 PM
#116
AWD is a toughie.
AWD has pros/cons, and advantages/disadvantages.
AWD can give superior traction when powering out of corners in the dry, especially relevant to today's cars with so much hp & torque.
However, it does add weight, which obtunds performance straightline and around corners.
Thus, AWD best be optional.
AWD has pros/cons, and advantages/disadvantages.
AWD can give superior traction when powering out of corners in the dry, especially relevant to today's cars with so much hp & torque.
However, it does add weight, which obtunds performance straightline and around corners.
Thus, AWD best be optional.
11-18-17, 01:14 PM
#117
Lexus Fanatic
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amg and m cars have huge power and without awd they would just shred the rear tires so they've gone awd. i remember the e55 amg for example - awesome car, but just a tire shredder and needed awd.
11-18-17, 01:16 PM
#118
I want my next car to be an ///M, Cayman/Boxster, or F-type. Problem is that none of them (besides very expensive versions of the Jag) offer AWD! I don't know why these manufacturers haven't jumped on this already. Even in milder climates where it rains instead of snows, AWD provides more stability and peace of mind than RWD. At the end of the day, practicality of AWD > performance advantages of RWD that you'll never use.
Last edited by BrownPride; 11-18-17 at 01:21 PM.
11-19-17, 12:51 AM
#119
I know it might seem infantile, but RWD=burnouts!!!!! If I had a car with enough power to fry the rear tires, you damn well bet I'd do that occasionally. As for the AWD is better in winter, if you have $$$$ for a 100k+ high performance car, you have enough money for something decent to drive in the winter/snow. I mean you can set your sights lower than a new 4wd F150 Platinum for a winter beater, maybe a stripper Subaru for 20k if you must have a new or newer car to slog through the winter. Or god forbid if you slum it up in an AWD Benz C-class, those are damn nice now days and reasonably priced(used or new) if you stick with the base engine.
Main thing I don't get with the LC500, is why the hybrid model???? Its an impractical 2 door coupe, people want performance, power, speed, gas mileage be damned. I know its a parts bin special, so it cost Toyota next to nothing to develop, but its still not what people want in this segment. Spend the R&D money on a set of turbochargers for that V8, charge people more $$$$, if it performs, people will buy it.
Main thing I don't get with the LC500, is why the hybrid model???? Its an impractical 2 door coupe, people want performance, power, speed, gas mileage be damned. I know its a parts bin special, so it cost Toyota next to nothing to develop, but its still not what people want in this segment. Spend the R&D money on a set of turbochargers for that V8, charge people more $$$$, if it performs, people will buy it.
11-19-17, 03:07 AM
#120
Lexus Fanatic
Actually, That's one reason why Ford stuck with the Mustang's live rear axle for so long. It wasn't just cost-cutting. They knew the live axle's durability, and the fact that the kids and young adults who bought and drove Mustangs were often addicted to burnouts.
Main thing I don't get with the LC500, is why the hybrid model???? Its an impractical 2 door coupe, people want performance, power, speed, gas mileage be damned. I know its a parts bin special, so it cost Toyota next to nothing to develop, but its still not what people want in this segment. Spend the R&D money on a set of turbochargers for that V8, charge people more $$$$, if it performs, people will buy it.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-19-17 at 03:16 AM.