Toys4RJill

I dunno. Perhaps. But I give Lincoln the credit they deserved here.

SW17LS

For $100k I’m still buying a Range Rover lol

mmarshall

Yes...good catch. The light blue seats are indeed the Navigator's Back Label....a very light sky-bluish/silver color. I forgot to check the Black Label section....Lincoln has it in a separate part of their database, not the usual "Build-Your-Own" section.

(Oh.....and be ready to shell out some cash......BL versions start at 93K. Jill...that might account for the one you spoke to that gentleman about listing at 101K).

That brings up the next issue...can I actually sit in it LOL? I've noticed, with other Black Label Lincoln products (particularly the MKZ) that the Black Label seats may have custom colors and striping, but they are narrower than the regular seats....too narrow for my wide frame.

mmarshall

Each to his own, I guess, but, at least from the images, Jill may have a point about the Navigator's interior......I haven't seen too many RRs this plush inside.

Hope they have one at the show next weekend, on the floor unlocked. We'll see.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

respectfully, if you can't sit in a lincoln navigator with any trim you might have a weight problem.

mmarshall

I think the word you are looking for is "infatuated". I agree that newer is not always better, but interiors, in general, seem to be getting more plush-looking recently with American, European, and Korean-badged vehicles......not necessarily so with Japanese, but there are exceptions. And, of course, looks is one thing.....anybody can use rich-looking materials on the surface that are actually dime-store plastic underneath. We saw that, IMO, on the 1Gen Buick Enclave and 4Gen Toyota Avalon, before the mid-cycle improvements.

SW17LS

You need to look at more Range Rovers

Don't confuse "plush" with "bling". Range Rovers have excellent quality materials, but they don't have tons of garish chrome etc, which is a look I prefer.

mmarshall

I agree if one can't sit in ANY of the Navigator's seats. But, for me, I don't think the Navigator's standard seats will be any problem....I won't know with the BL's till I see them. And, on the MKZ I described, it was the Black Label seats that were the problem, not the standard ones....the BL seats are significantly more confining. I am somewhat overweight, but not really terribly obese. (I can still drive a Miata LOL).

mmarshall

Agreed...."plush" can have more than one definition. To me, it means soft, comfortable seats (the French, especially, used to excel at that), wood or wood-tones, chrome or brushed-metal, and soft-touch panel surfaces.

I'll agree you don't want too much bright chrome inside, because it increases the chances of glare in the sun. Decades ago, that is why the Federal safety standard was passed that outlawed chrome wiper-arms and mandated them in flat black.

I'll see the latest RR's next weekend, BTW.

SW17LS

Range Rovers have all of those things in spades. Autobiography trims even have a leather stitched headliner.

mmarshall

Hope this isn't a re-post (I didn't see it anywhere else in the thread). This reviewer is almost as detailed as something Alex (Dykes) would do, and presents a rather convincing case for the new Navigator as the best SUV yet. The number of features on this vehicle is truly impressive....it's obvious why it costs the big $$$$$ that it does. I definitely want to check it out for myself.....but I'd bet that, if Lincoln brings one to the D.C. show, it will be up, unaccesssable, on a turntable.

(He's only wrong on one thing, IMO. He claims the auto start/stop feature does not significantly save fuel...my experience, in the Lacrosse, is that it does).

Jill, get your popcorn ready, sit back, and relax...I think you are going to enjoy this one.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

yup, thanks, i posted that earlier... https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post10083774

Toys4RJill

SW17LS

Just FYI, my 2003 ES300 navigation had a breadcrumb feature, as have all my other Lexus vehicles

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

^^ LOL!

'ROUTE TRACE' would be the official name of the feature (and yes Lexus has had it since early 2000s). If you had navigation in your CT then you had it too Jill. That's funny though, 'breadcrumbs' hah! Gotta suggest to Lexus Advisory Board that they change it.