Lexus LS500/LS500h
12-14-17, 07:20 PM
#571
Lexus Fanatic
All else equal, the less power they make, the less stress on them. Now, power alone does not necessarily take away from engine life, as we have seen with some large American V8s in the past (and the torque produced by some diesels in their beefed-up engine-blocks). But, all else equal, more power often means more stress.
12-14-17, 08:22 PM
#572
Lexus Fanatic
Mike is right in regards to reliability IMHO...
And again, very few people buying a big luxury sedan that isn’t a performance variant care about 0-60 Times. I’m considering a 360hp S450, if it’s just as smooth as the V8 no way I would spring for it. Same with the 740 vs 750.
And again, very few people buying a big luxury sedan that isn’t a performance variant care about 0-60 Times. I’m considering a 360hp S450, if it’s just as smooth as the V8 no way I would spring for it. Same with the 740 vs 750.
12-15-17, 12:08 AM
#573
Pole Position
+1 few care about 0-60 times. I think having the available power when needed (40-100) matters more in this class. Also, if my RX350 is any indication, Lexus prefers smoothness over power, so u probably need to work towards great times (brake torqueing, manual shifting, etc).
Mike is right in regards to reliability IMHO...
And again, very few people buying a big luxury sedan that isn’t a performance variant care about 0-60 Times. I’m considering a 360hp S450, if it’s just as smooth as the V8 no way I would spring for it. Same with the 740 vs 750.
And again, very few people buying a big luxury sedan that isn’t a performance variant care about 0-60 Times. I’m considering a 360hp S450, if it’s just as smooth as the V8 no way I would spring for it. Same with the 740 vs 750.
12-15-17, 05:25 AM
#574
Lexus Fanatic
Ever stop, though, and consider, for a minute, that maybe that's WHY Toyota engines often last 200K, and even 300K miles in some cases? All else equal, the less power they make, the less stress on them. Now, power alone does not necessarily take away from engine life, as we have seen with some large American V8s in the past (and the torque produced by some diesels in their beefed-up engine-blocks). But, all else equal, more power often means more stress.
All else equal, the less power they make, the less stress on them. Now, power alone does not necessarily take away from engine life, as we have seen with some large American V8s in the past (and the torque produced by some diesels in their beefed-up engine-blocks). But, all else equal, more power often means more stress.Every car forum has a highest mileage thread, and I'll say it again, we all laughed when someone said 479k on the Nissan forum. I'm sure Toyota products can do the same. Volvo used to make a big deal about 200k. I had a badge on my trunk to prove it.
A V8 is not balanced like a I6 or V12, but it is more balanced than a V6, which is imho not ideal. Those 4 cyl. motors who put out numbers on paper, don't actually drive so well, from a purist sense. V8 na vs. V6 turbo, V8. V8 turbo vs. V6 turbo, V8. I6 turbo vs. V6 turbo, I6. There isn't a case at all for V6's except that they can be deployed across many platforms, incl. FWD. They shake and they shake and they shake, and need counter balance shafts much like I4's.
12-15-17, 06:25 AM
#576
Lexus Fanatic
Unless a person leased, it's not realistic to disregard longevity and reliability, it just isn't (talk to people who get 4 y.o. CPOs that are always back at the dealership and they're paying some deductible like $50)....I saw a 198x Honda Civic driving on my commute home the other day, and I thought, dang, I remember a friend's oldest sister had one of those brand new, and I rode in it, and it's still driving?
Every car forum has a highest mileage thread, and I'll say it again, we all laughed when someone said 479k on the Nissan forum. I'm sure Toyota products can do the same. Volvo used to make a big deal about 200k. I had a badge on my trunk to prove it.
A V8 is not balanced like a I6 or V12, but it is more balanced than a V6, which is imho not ideal. Those 4 cyl. motors who put out numbers on paper, don't actually drive so well, from a purist sense. V8 na vs. V6 turbo, V8. V8 turbo vs. V6 turbo, V8. I6 turbo vs. V6 turbo, I6. There isn't a case at all for V6's except that they can be deployed across many platforms, incl. FWD. They shake and they shake and they shake, and need counter balance shafts much like I4's.
Every car forum has a highest mileage thread, and I'll say it again, we all laughed when someone said 479k on the Nissan forum. I'm sure Toyota products can do the same. Volvo used to make a big deal about 200k. I had a badge on my trunk to prove it.
A V8 is not balanced like a I6 or V12, but it is more balanced than a V6, which is imho not ideal. Those 4 cyl. motors who put out numbers on paper, don't actually drive so well, from a purist sense. V8 na vs. V6 turbo, V8. V8 turbo vs. V6 turbo, V8. I6 turbo vs. V6 turbo, I6. There isn't a case at all for V6's except that they can be deployed across many platforms, incl. FWD. They shake and they shake and they shake, and need counter balance shafts much like I4's.
I dispute the claim that more power causes more wear and reduced lifespans. A car company either engineers is it to a certain lifespan or it does not.
12-15-17, 06:57 AM
#577
Lexus Test Driver
What's with the 0-60 fetish? It's not like you're going to drag race an LS500 vs an S500 or 750. A difference of 0.5 seconds is irrelevant because you won't be able to tell the difference in daily driving.
I'd prefer realistic midrange acceleration figures instead of utterly pointless 0-60 and 0-100 numbers. These cars are luxury transport, not rocket sleds.
As for poor reviews of the LS hybrid in Euro magazines, it's to be expected - they've always favored diesels and hybrids have always been trashed simply because they're different. Yes, the hybrid can't conjure up the wall of instant torque that big diesels have. You just have to drive a hybrid differently, especially one with a planetary gear drivetrain, and in return you get much higher urban mileage. Diesels are also on the way out with stringent emissions regulations favoring electrification.
That's why I've stopped reading car mags...
I'd prefer realistic midrange acceleration figures instead of utterly pointless 0-60 and 0-100 numbers. These cars are luxury transport, not rocket sleds.
As for poor reviews of the LS hybrid in Euro magazines, it's to be expected - they've always favored diesels and hybrids have always been trashed simply because they're different. Yes, the hybrid can't conjure up the wall of instant torque that big diesels have. You just have to drive a hybrid differently, especially one with a planetary gear drivetrain, and in return you get much higher urban mileage. Diesels are also on the way out with stringent emissions regulations favoring electrification.
That's why I've stopped reading car mags...
Last edited by chromedome; 12-15-17 at 07:08 AM.
12-15-17, 07:04 AM
#578
Lexus Fanatic
Toyota has a million mile Tundra. It was an 07 model I think, 4.7 engine. I remember a few years ago reading about a guy who towed boats to Florida. He has a Dodge that cleared a million miles, I think it was from the 90s
I dispute the claim that more power causes more wear and reduced lifespans. A car company either engineers is it to a certain lifespan or it does not.
I dispute the claim that more power causes more wear and reduced lifespans. A car company either engineers is it to a certain lifespan or it does not.
12-15-17, 07:08 AM
#579
drives cars
What's with the 0-60 fetish? It's not like you're going to drag race an LS500 vs an S500 or 750. A difference of 0.5 seconds is irrelevant because you won't be able to tell the difference in daily driving.
I'd prefer realistic midrange acceleration figures instead of utterly pointless 0-60 and 0-100 numbers. These cars are luxury transport, not rocket sleds.
I'd prefer realistic midrange acceleration figures instead of utterly pointless 0-60 and 0-100 numbers. These cars are luxury transport, not rocket sleds.
12-15-17, 07:32 AM
#580
Lexus Fanatic
In my 20+ years of driving I've never once attempted to "get a 0-60 time that matched what a manufacturer claimed", and I would argue again that anybody who would want to attempt to do that would not be buying this sort of car.
12-15-17, 07:47 AM
#581
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah.....your clients probably wouldn't be very impressed with that kind of lead-footing, either.
12-15-17, 08:03 AM
#583
Lexus Test Driver
Good on ya Steve, I've been driving for 20+ years and I'm stuck in an ES
Anyway, it seems that most car mags and reviewers completely miss the point of cars like the LS. They expect everything to drive like a 911. I have to say that Lexus should have switched to a touchscreen system instead of insisting on their awful touchpad interface.
Autoblog has an interesting article on why the LC500 is so good as it is. It's a big, quiet, comfy and powerful cruiser in a market where everyone else is harping about more power and insane 'Ring times. They compared it to an Aston V12, another big and comfy cruiser that's more for enjoying the road than being a GT3-style track weapon.
Anyway, it seems that most car mags and reviewers completely miss the point of cars like the LS. They expect everything to drive like a 911. I have to say that Lexus should have switched to a touchscreen system instead of insisting on their awful touchpad interface.
Autoblog has an interesting article on why the LC500 is so good as it is. It's a big, quiet, comfy and powerful cruiser in a market where everyone else is harping about more power and insane 'Ring times. They compared it to an Aston V12, another big and comfy cruiser that's more for enjoying the road than being a GT3-style track weapon.
12-15-17, 08:26 AM
#584
Lexus Fanatic
Good on ya Steve, I've been driving for 20+ years and I'm stuck in an ES
Anyway, it seems that most car mags and reviewers completely miss the point of cars like the LS. They expect everything to drive like a 911. I have to say that Lexus should have switched to a touchscreen system instead of insisting on their awful touchpad interface.
Autoblog has an interesting article on why the LC500 is so good as it is. It's a big, quiet, comfy and powerful cruiser in a market where everyone else is harping about more power and insane 'Ring times. They compared it to an Aston V12, another big and comfy cruiser that's more for enjoying the road than being a GT3-style track weapon.
Anyway, it seems that most car mags and reviewers completely miss the point of cars like the LS. They expect everything to drive like a 911. I have to say that Lexus should have switched to a touchscreen system instead of insisting on their awful touchpad interface.
Autoblog has an interesting article on why the LC500 is so good as it is. It's a big, quiet, comfy and powerful cruiser in a market where everyone else is harping about more power and insane 'Ring times. They compared it to an Aston V12, another big and comfy cruiser that's more for enjoying the road than being a GT3-style track weapon.
But strange as it is, not everything that is loved by the auto press is loved by the general public. Seems to me the LC which is adored by everyone is not found g as well as initially thought This car could still do well but we won't know until it is released.
12-15-17, 09:08 AM
#585
drives cars
Sure, even I don't just go around 0 to 60 testing my IS - that doesn't sound like it'd be good for the car anyway. I'm just saying, does it not border on false advertising when they say it can do a 4.7-second 0 to 60, but testing can't reproduce such a time? There's no need to deflect that by saying "no one will ever actually do it".