Hell Cat Fatalities
09-12-17, 01:05 PM
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Hell Cat Fatalities
09-12-17, 01:49 PM
#3
Lexus Fanatic
"I've never seen anything like it," Spezze told the newspaper. "They had permission to be there. There were no laws broken."
The men had permission to use the 8,300-foot runway at Central Colorado Regional Airport in Buena Vista. That's more than a mile and a half long.
"They were just test-driving this car. They went a little too fast. I don't want to surmise. ... They probably got to the end of the runway and, at that speed, didn't realize they were there so fast. And they lost control. It was just too high a speed and they got to the end of the runway," said Chaffee County Sheriff John Spezze.
The men had permission to use the 8,300-foot runway at Central Colorado Regional Airport in Buena Vista. That's more than a mile and a half long.
"They were just test-driving this car. They went a little too fast. I don't want to surmise. ... They probably got to the end of the runway and, at that speed, didn't realize they were there so fast. And they lost control. It was just too high a speed and they got to the end of the runway," said Chaffee County Sheriff John Spezze.
the crash victims were Lynd Fitzgerald, 71, of Colorado Springs, and his passenger, Roger Lichtenberger, 76, of San Marcos, Calif.
I'm a Boomer myself (though not old as these two)......but, even back then, I tended to drive with common sense.
It's possible (though very unlikely) that the car's throttle got stuck, or some other malfunction like brake-failure happened, which caused that excessive speed at the end of the runway. And, of course, Challengers, particularly with the big Hemis up front which add a lot of weight, generally don't handle as well as Mustangs or Camaros if one DOES get into a jam like that.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-12-17 at 01:59 PM.
09-12-17, 05:50 PM
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Pole Position
Thread Starter
In my mind, they offered a car that lacks balance regarding horse power, braking power and ergonomics, that can be had for a low $ per pony price, and this tragic result becomes expectable
09-12-17, 05:53 PM
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Lexus Fanatic
Agreed. That's why I remarked on the superior handling-characteristics of the newer Mustang and Camaro platforms compared to the more dated Challenger. The Camaro SS's latest platform, is, of course, shared with the Cadillac ATS-V...one of the sharpest in the industry from a handling standpoint.
09-12-17, 08:02 PM
#6
or......more likely....the driver misjudged the braking distance and ran outta runway. Not really sure how you're blaming the car for this...
09-12-17, 09:05 PM
#7
Lexus Test Driver
Yet another tragic mistake stemming from one of these ridiculous cars. I read and see this over and over in my daily life, living on a major street and working with the police department. Most people will never be able to handle all that power and performance. As I've been recently saying, manufacturers need to be held responsible for producing these death bombs, just like a bartender is responsible for his/her drinkers.
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09-13-17, 03:57 AM
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Lexus Test Driver
We're getting to another horsepower war with large consumer sedans and SUVs offering ridiculous power. The Ludicrous mode setting on Teslas is welcome, so people don't accidentally deploy full torque on city streets. A 500+ hp Cayenne usually isn't driven by a well-trained racing driver, it's a vehicle for the school run.
09-13-17, 04:58 AM
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09-13-17, 05:36 AM
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In many cases, the bartender has no idea how the person even got to the bar in the first place......it could have been by cab, bus, subway, or even on foot. That's like the old worn-out argument that gun manufacturers are responsible for gun-crimes.The (probable) cause of this accident was two over-aged guys, without the reflexes and co-ordination of a 20-year-old, trying to re-live their Muscle-Car youth. They simply got in over their heads....and, at their age, it often doesn't take very deep water to do that.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-13-17 at 05:39 AM.
09-13-17, 05:41 AM
#11
At a glance it's like Thelma and Louise ending...
add in some brake check for insurance purposes? One would like to know their state of mind and existing medical conditions and perhaps the time of day/night. Could they see? Not much detail released.
Regardless - rest in peace...
add in some brake check for insurance purposes? One would like to know their state of mind and existing medical conditions and perhaps the time of day/night. Could they see? Not much detail released.
Regardless - rest in peace...
09-13-17, 05:42 AM
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Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Yet another tragic mistake stemming from one of these ridiculous cars. I read and see this over and over in my daily life, living on a major street and working with the police department. Most people will never be able to handle all that power and performance. As I've been recently saying, manufacturers need to be held responsible for producing these death bombs, just like a bartender is responsible for his/her drinkers.
This accident has nothing to do with Chrysler. The car was being driven on an airport runway at high speed, and the drivers ran off the end of the runway by accident, could have happened with any car. If you don't want this to happen to you, don't drive down an airport runway at 100+ MPH (likely faster than that). Dynamics or handling had nothing to do with it, they were going straight and misjudged the distance between them and the end of the runway because of lack of experience doing such things that that speed.
For some people nothing that ever happens to them is their fault. It's really pathetic.
Somebody mentioned ludicrous mode. You might be surprised to know the Hellcats come with two keys. The red key unlocks all the power, the regular key holds it back for street driving. Same thing.
To say Chrysler has any fault in this is silly. Own your own self
Last edited by SW17LS; 09-13-17 at 05:49 AM.
09-13-17, 05:54 AM
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I remember the first time I took my race prepped Lightning to the track and was surprised how the handling/stopping characteristics were from 130mph. Not saying this was the case here but it could have caught the driver off guard.
09-13-17, 07:42 AM
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Lexus Fanatic
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that manufacturers are at fault if people behind the wheel choose to drive irresponsibly or like idiots.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-13-17 at 03:09 PM.
09-13-17, 07:48 AM
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Lexus Fanatic
The death rate back then had nothing to do with power, it is everything to do with lack of safety features.