2019 Toyota Supra
#661
Lexus Test Driver
Some people want a back seat or experience of N/A high-revving response/noise (which is why I bought it). In that case, a Supra does not fit the bill there.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 01-17-19 at 12:44 PM.
#662
Advanced
When I look at youtube or forums, I'm coming to the belief that none of the cars that have today an inconic status wouldn't have had a single chance if internet would have happened to exist in their young age.
The NSX was not powerful enough and was rather slow.
The Supra wasn't that powerful and rather hugly.
The M3 was so quadratic and the electric was bad.
The Stratos was a unpractical car, overheated and cramped.
The Countach was a money pit to maintain and with a middle-ish reliability.
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I really believe that we should all take a holiday from debating cars we never experienced for ourselves. I'm sure this car will find some public, I'm even shure it will be good on certain type of roads, even if I don't believe it to be a good seller whatsoever (It's simply impossible to forget the FT-1 that was so tasty in regard of what came). Actually, we all sound like a bunch of Jeremy Clarkson's.
The NSX was not powerful enough and was rather slow.
The Supra wasn't that powerful and rather hugly.
The M3 was so quadratic and the electric was bad.
The Stratos was a unpractical car, overheated and cramped.
The Countach was a money pit to maintain and with a middle-ish reliability.
....
I really believe that we should all take a holiday from debating cars we never experienced for ourselves. I'm sure this car will find some public, I'm even shure it will be good on certain type of roads, even if I don't believe it to be a good seller whatsoever (It's simply impossible to forget the FT-1 that was so tasty in regard of what came). Actually, we all sound like a bunch of Jeremy Clarkson's.
#663
Pole Position
The LC platform is a good start.
Considering the new gen IS will also use this platform, then it definitely could be shortened to fit a more dedicated sports car function compared to luxury LC version.
Put in the already developed new 3.5 v6 tt - boom you got a TOYOTA Supra not a BMW Zupra.
The best alternative would have been to work TOGETHER with BMW and create a truly special car. Take the B58 motor and build it up with strong internals. Put in custom Supra interior geared to the driver etc. So what if it costs you an extra Billion $$$ - what something like that would do for your marketing and reputation will make up for it. Toyota is sitting on piles of $$$$ - once every 20years they can blow some on a Supra.
#664
Lexus Test Driver
If they were going to share platforms, I would be fine with that. Just share the chassis and then the rest should be their own design. Like many others have said here, other forums, magazines, and YouTube - the Mark 5 Supra is too BMW. Not saying that is a bad thing but its a bad thing for the Supra name.
If this was another Toyota car, it would do extremely well. Call it the Celica and drop the price.
#665
Lexus Champion
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The LC platform is a good start.
Considering the new gen IS will also use this platform, then it definitely could be shortened to fit a more dedicated sports car function compared to luxury LC version.
Put in the already developed new 3.5 v6 tt - boom you got a TOYOTA Supra not a BMW Zupra.
Perhaps the LC platform could be used to accommodate the new Supra, but since everyone and their mother brings up "heritage" - a V6 just doesn't belong in a Supra.
The best alternative would have been to work TOGETHER with BMW and create a truly special car. Take the B58 motor and build it up with strong internals. Put in custom Supra interior geared to the driver etc. So what if it costs you an extra Billion $$$ - what something like that would do for your marketing and reputation will make up for it. Toyota is sitting on piles of $$$$ - once every 20years they can blow some on a Supra.
#666
Lexus Test Driver
Perhaps the LC platform could be used to accommodate the new Supra, but since everyone and their mother brings up "heritage" - a V6 just doesn't belong in a Supra.
LOL, Toyota can't even bother to contribute during a joint project. They are good as dead for me as a car company, and thus I am glad that the new Supra was developed by a proper car company that did a very decent job. Like I said previously, if Toyota made the Supra themselves, it would most likely have been an utter disappointment.
LOL, Toyota can't even bother to contribute during a joint project. They are good as dead for me as a car company, and thus I am glad that the new Supra was developed by a proper car company that did a very decent job. Like I said previously, if Toyota made the Supra themselves, it would most likely have been an utter disappointment.
Developed by a proper car company? What makes BMW proper? That's subjective. I could say BMW is not a proper car company because they can't make reliable cars. Isn't cars suppose to be reliable and take care of the buyer? How does BMW provide this when they are consistently ranked average or below average on reliability?
And you called me bias earlier... It looks like you are bias towards BMW with Toyota hate.
So its not a disappointment that its made by BMW? I think the general verdict by the population is that everyone hates this Supra. I think you only like it because its a BMW.
I think RNM GS3's point is fair. He likes both Toyota and BMW - as do I. But when you mix a legendary Supra with a car company like BMW - it just doesn't work. It draws up too many issues.
#667
Lap times can prove/disprove these comments, but man, this is confidence... (where did they come up with 4.4 0-60 for the BMW?)
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...ring-lap-time/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...ring-lap-time/
#668
Lexus Champion
#669
Pole Position
The LC platform is a good start.
Considering the new gen IS will also use this platform, then it definitely could be shortened to fit a more dedicated sports car function compared to luxury LC version.
Put in the already developed new 3.5 v6 tt - boom you got a TOYOTA Supra not a BMW Zupra.
The best alternative would have been to work TOGETHER with BMW and create a truly special car. Take the B58 motor and build it up with strong internals. Put in custom Supra interior geared to the driver etc. So what if it costs you an extra Billion $$$ - what something like that would do for your marketing and reputation will make up for it. Toyota is sitting on piles of $$$$ - once every 20years they can blow some on a Supra.
#671
A Japanese V6 belongs more in a Supra than a detuned BMW engine that will form problems in less than 60K miles.
Developed by a proper car company? What makes BMW proper? That's subjective. Icould say BMW is not a proper car company because they can't make reliable cars. Isn't cars suppose to be reliable and take care of the buyer? How does BMW provide this when they are consistently ranked average or below average on reliability?
And you called me bias earlier... It looks like you are bias towards BMW with Toyota hate.
So its not a disappointment that its made by BMW? I think the general verdict by the population is that everyone hates this Supra. I think you only like it because its a BMW.
I think RNM GS3's point is fair. He likes both Toyota and BMW - as do I. But when you mix a legendary Supra with a car company like BMW - it just doesn't work. It draws up too many issues.
Developed by a proper car company? What makes BMW proper? That's subjective. Icould say BMW is not a proper car company because they can't make reliable cars. Isn't cars suppose to be reliable and take care of the buyer? How does BMW provide this when they are consistently ranked average or below average on reliability?
And you called me bias earlier... It looks like you are bias towards BMW with Toyota hate.
So its not a disappointment that its made by BMW? I think the general verdict by the population is that everyone hates this Supra. I think you only like it because its a BMW.
I think RNM GS3's point is fair. He likes both Toyota and BMW - as do I. But when you mix a legendary Supra with a car company like BMW - it just doesn't work. It draws up too many issues.
#672
Lexus Test Driver
#674
Lexus Fanatic
So I shopped online and by phone for an extended warranty to get it heavily discounted and no sales tax, bought it to extend to 7/100, and nothing ever happened.
Moral of my story? You always hear about the cars breaking and the expensive repairs, you rarely hear from the people whose cars didn't break. But you always seem to hear the latter from the Japanese car owners. So it paints an unrealistic picture.
#675
Lexus Fanatic
A Japanese V6 belongs more in a Supra than a detuned BMW engine that will form problems in less than 60K miles.
Developed by a proper car company? What makes BMW proper? That's subjective. I could say BMW is not a proper car company because they can't make reliable cars. Isn't cars suppose to be reliable and take care of the buyer? How does BMW provide this when they are consistently ranked average or below average on reliability?
Developed by a proper car company? What makes BMW proper? That's subjective. I could say BMW is not a proper car company because they can't make reliable cars. Isn't cars suppose to be reliable and take care of the buyer? How does BMW provide this when they are consistently ranked average or below average on reliability?
And anyway, even if they were "average" average is quite good. People have this idea that if a car isn't in the top three rankings its an unreliable POS, and thats just not true. Oftentimes the difference between a brand ranked 9ths and 1st is a slim margin.
I think the general verdict by the population is that everyone hates this Supra
It is? How do you come to have such a pulse on the general population? I've read and watched a bunch of things on it, seems positive. The comments on such reviews online seem positive..."Supra purists", are they really going to buy this car anyways?
I would venture to say you can't bring any "vaunted" car back after 20 years and not **** people off.