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Did you feel it was more satisfying to drive than the original SC300/400? Now THERE was a Lexus coupe (the SC300) that left a smile on my face when I sampled one....but, of course, that was quite some time ago.
I've driven every iteration of the first gen SC, 300/400, 300 5-Speed manual, SC300/400 with VVT-i. However I did not drive them during their production run (I started driving in early 2000s), nor their competition. Because of this, its hard to say they were more or less satisfying compared to other cars of that generation let alone a new 2018 model. They drove very nice, had a simple layout, standout reliability, and a bullet proof 2JZ-GE or 1UZ-FE engine. You could swing the rear end out pretty easily too if not careful. However the LC is a grand touring dream. It makes all the right sounds and reflexes. Coupled with a more exotic design, and the technology available, I personally have to give the nod to the LC which is no surprise simply because it feels more special IMHO.
Since we were talking about doors earlier, not sure if you remember but the SC300/400 doors were extremely heavy.
I've driven every iteration of the first gen SC, 300/400, 300 5-Speed manual, SC300/400 with VVT-i. However I did not drive them during their production run (I started driving in early 2000s), nor their competition. Because of this, its hard to say they were more or less satisfying compared to other cars of that generation let alone a new 2018 model. They drove very nice, had a simple layout, standout reliability, and a bullet proof 2JZ-GE or 1UZ-FE engine. You could swing the rear end out pretty easily too if not careful. However the LC is a grand touring dream. It makes all the right sounds and reflexes. Coupled with a more exotic design, and the technology available, I personally have to give the nod to the LC which is no surprise simply because it feels more special IMHO.
A fair assessment. The LC, of course, has a more advanced frame and suspension engineering than the original SC. I only mentioned the SC because of its looks, and the nice way it drove in typical everyday maneuvers.....I'm not into rear-end swing-outs, power-slides or drifting, which I consider dangerous on public roads, particularly with traffic.
Since we were talking about doors earlier, not sure if you remember but the SC300/400 doors were extremely heavy.
Yeah....the 1Gen SC was built during the Lexus Heyday, when, among mass-produced automobiles, the brand was considered to have arguably the best build-quality in the industry.
Well, there you go.....to learn how to use the complex electronics on the dash and video-screen,
you first have to download and search through MORE electronics. Gee......what a wonderful idea.
carting a dead tree's worth of paper around makes so much more sense.
and yes, despite your sarcasm, it IS a wonderful idea, since people can search and find things a lot quicker. Manual can also easily just put on owner's phone.
the compromise is just to charge owners who want a dead tree copy.
I've driven every iteration of the first gen SC, 300/400, 300 5-Speed manual, SC300/400 with VVT-i. However I did not drive them during their production run (I started driving in early 2000s), nor their competition. Because of this, its hard to say they were more or less satisfying compared to other cars of that generation let alone a new 2018 model. They drove very nice, had a simple layout, standout reliability, and a bullet proof 2JZ-GE or 1UZ-FE engine. You could swing the rear end out pretty easily too if not careful. However the LC is a grand touring dream. It makes all the right sounds and reflexes. Coupled with a more exotic design, and the technology available, I personally have to give the nod to the LC which is no surprise simply because it feels more special IMHO.
Since we were talking about doors earlier, not sure if you remember but the SC300/400 doors were extremely heavy.
I have a 1992 SC300/5 speed. Tail happy is not a trait I would give this car, it doesn't have enough power(or a limited slip diff) to really break it loose unless you are doing something really stupid, like screwing around in a parking lot in 1st gear. Push it hard, its understeer, it doesn't do any of those lift off throttle oversteer shennanigans either. That "planted" and "balanced"feel is one thing I love about my SC, even in the rain with the hammer down you don't really have to worry about the back end coming around on you. Go drive something American with a big heavy, torquey v8, 300+hp, under-tired, and a light rear end, then we'll be talking about a squirrely car.
Getting back to the LC, I must say this is about the wildest looking, most futuristic thing produced this decade. It up there in that rare realm of cars, where the production car looks(and performs) almost exactly like that pie in the sky auto show concept car. Cars like the 1993 Dodge Viper kind of come to mind, in terms of the production car meeting that sort of execution that the concept displayed.
I also think it looks a lot better in brighter/lighter colors. Black, dark grey, etc really hide all the complex lines and curves. That white one pictured above is stunning IMO.
carting a dead tree's worth of paper around makes so much more sense.
and yes, despite your sarcasm, it IS a wonderful idea, since people can search and find things a lot quicker. Manual can also easily just put on owner's phone.
the compromise is just to charge owners who want a dead tree copy.
What you say would make some sense IF more people would actually take the time to read it in the first place, whether on paper or in an E-file. I've been driving for almost 50 years, yet I certainly don't claim to know everything behind the wheel, especially with the complexities of today's Android/Bluetooth/GPS/I-Pod and other electronic systems. Most things in a car, I can easily operate intuitively, without consulting the Manual, but not the electronics. There, I'm probably behind a typical eighth-grader of today.
Also, consider that printing does not have to be derived on tree-obtained paper.....it can be synthetically made. And, the last time I checked, paper can't fail or err like electronics.
But...as Steve pointed out before, is the thread about the LC or about manuals?
I thought I would just mention. Lexus has a massive hit on their hands with the LC. Most Lexus dealers in the Toronto Area have sold out their allocations until June 2018. It has to be ordered. There are some LC models left, but they are specific colors that buyers have to settle for.
Short of the magnificent and limited Lexus LFA, The Lexus LC 500 is the most expressive and emotional car Lexus has ever crafted. As the story goes, in 2012 the LF-LC concept was unveiled. The concept was universally well received and given the green light, five years later here we have it, another chapter in the Lexus story that will set the tone for future Lexus platforms, technology, and design.
Now looks are subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Unlike the RC which came before it, the LC has one of the better implementations of the Lexus Spindle as it looks more cohesive with the body, rather than ‘slapped on’ like some new Lexus’s look. As you approach the LC, you realize this is a big coupe. A nice long hood, short rear deck, and short overhangs pay homage to the sport coupe formula. Twenty or Twenty-one inch staggered wheels hide the large six piston calipers (four piston rear) and two piece disc rotors.
From the front of the LC, the Spindle grille lines up perfectly with the hood lines. There is no chrome strip between the top of the grille and the hood to give off a continuous Spindle look that tapers off to the rear of the car, forming its own spindle. The greenhouse has the ‘floating roof’ element, and the silver roof lines are there to mimic a Japanese samurai sword. The headlamps are some of the smallest in the industry, and grouped together in a cluster of three on each side. They utilize a new construction called Polaric Elipsoid System (PES), which moves the fan to the bottom to make the lights more compact than the traditional back of the lights. The rear taillamps, have a shallow mirror in them that gives off a 3D or ‘afterburner effect’.
Underneath the hood are your typical gray plastic panels hiding the dual intakes. Some extra braces help make the LC more rigid. Lexus engineers dropped the engine position to decrease the overall vehicle height. The die-cast aluminum suspension towers use an advanced flush rivet technology that allows them to attach to steel. Other than that, locations for brake fluid, engine coolant, engine oil, engine oil dipstick, and windshield wiper fluid are in accessible locations, though if you’re buying this car you probably won’t service it yourself .
The flush door handles are new, and help with aerodynamics and an overall sleeker look to the car. Walk up to the door and press the little circle dimple, and the handle pops out. Either grab it and pull towards you to open the door, or push it back in, and the door will lock and mirrors will auto fold if your have that setting on. Also nice to see is when you lock the door, a little green light and a lock symbol become illuminated. A nice indicator and detail compared to current Lexus locks and plungers. As a fun bit of safety technology added to the LC, four tube sensors underneath the hood can determine an impact with a pole or a persons leg, and can ‘pop’ the hood up if it determines someone may collapse onto the hood. This helps reduce the body from absorbing the full impact with the engine.
Interior:
The first thing you notice when starting to get into the LC is that the doors are lighter yet have a solid feel. Lexus used several sheets of carbon fiber and aluminum inner panels to reduce the doors weight by 50% compared to conventional Lexus doors. Not only does it reduce weight, but helps suppress reverberation from the door speakers. The drape-like surface on the interior door panels is a beautiful and refined Takumi crafted treatment. While the LC does have four seats, like most coupes and its SC430 for bearer, the rear seats are rather useless. That said the cabin design focuses on the driver, while the passenger side is relatively open. The overall layout has a flowing theme, while most controls are ergonomic if not always practical. After 50 different seat designs, Lexus settled on two. The more common one will also be the sportier one with the alcantara inserts, though some less aggressive full leather ones are also an option. On the sport seats Lexus engineers developed a 3-dimensional layer approached which means the main seat section warps over the shoulder and around the backside to maintain performance support.
Once seated its pretty clear that all materials are soft to the touch and/or have a nice finish to them. I often talk about ‘stories’, and while I believe appearance wins the heart, details win the soul. Take the relatively simple shift **** for example. The shift **** has a satin chrome bezel wrapped with four genuine strips of leather with an in-stitch technique to keep the thread from view and a smooth texture to the hand. A urethane sheet is placed between the top of the **** and the leather to create the optimal soft sensation to the hand of the driver. Varying thicknesses of materials have been applied throughout the interior, and most controls are cool to the touch thanks to satin coating. The steering wheel was honed on the track, and very comfortable to grip. The large magnesium paddle shifters are welcome compared to the smaller ones on the RC F and GS F. Also worth mentioning is that Lexus has debuted its first full heated steering wheel rather than just the typical 9 and 3 positions. While personally I love the new design of the steering wheel, I am not a fan of the controls. The Multi-Interface Display (MID) controls are no longer on the right, but moved left. It’s a bit cumbersome if you’re right-handed, and takes some getting used to. The bezel does slide like the LFA and some F-Sport Lexus models. Inside the MID, there are more customization options than ever before. Under Vehicle Settings for example you can now adjust Blind Sport Monitor brightness, dim it, adjust volume, and even change the HUD rotation (vertical vs. horizontal). The cruise control is now on the steering wheel itself, rather than the Toyota/Lexus parts bin stalk found on every model.
The LC climate controls are satin finished toggle switches for Auto, Off, Temp, Fan Speed, Defrosters, and Re-circulation/Outside. Unfortunately fan speed along with heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, AC, dual, smog sensor etc... are buried in the climate control menu. The Audio controls have a chrome look to them and are placed right ahead of the revised Remote Touch Interface. The Audio PWR **** also has a nice heft to it, similar to thousand dollar home stereo systems. The LC comes with either a carbon fiber roof or a glass roof. Unfortunately the moonroof which is only available on the glass roof model is small. They should have made it panoramic with a power sliding shade than the small cutout with a small manual shade. Lastly there is no sun-glass holder yeah I don’t get it either.. funny enough where the Lexus Enform SOS button is, there is now a plastic cover on it that you have to flip down in order to access the SOS button. This is to reduce the likelihood of owners pressing the button by accident. As for the trunk, it is very shallow and there is no pass through or spare tire. The LC utilizes run-flat tires because of this. In place of the spare the battery and some fuse boxes are located under the trunk floor to better help distribute weight.
Infotainment and Navigation:
Although this is part of the interior, I felt the new infotainment and RTI system were worth their own section. When you start up the car, the display screen has a fun little pixel wave. Once loaded, the immediate graphics are crisp. This specific navigation we’ll call Gen10. It will be found on the 2018 LC, LS, NX, and RC. All of these by the way utilize the touch-pad version of Remote Touch. A major complaint of the current RTI is how terrible its gesture controls are. Lexus took it to heart and came out with this 2.0 version. The functionality and smoothness is closely related to how one would use their smart phone, and gestures are far more fluid. Overall I’d give the interface an 8/10 compared to the old version which I’d say was 3/10. When you press Menu, the Menu icons line up on the bottom of the screen and can be selected to pull up a specific full screen or when highlighted over them, another row of icons appears see what’s available. The Radio sources now have a ‘Station List’ button that will gather and organize all local stations in order of frequency or you can still use your own presets. Digging further into the menus, there are more vehicle settings to change, as well as a new Valet Mode which you can enter in a 4-digit code to lock. Voice command works well and is the best iteration yet. For people with accents, or people with soft voices (less bass), there is an adaptive mode to train and learn the driver’s voice (though this has been around for Gen8 and Gen9 navigation systems). Also as a Lexus first, ELECTRONIC OWNERS MANUAL! Lastly and unfortunately, the 10.3” screen while nice and vibrant, can get washed out in the sun easily.
Drive:
Lexus has been adamant about crafting vehicles that are fun to drive, yet retain the philosophies and principles that make the car distinctly a Lexus. Suffice to say the LC is a great start. Press the silver start button and the LC bellows out a roar, but quickly settles down at idle. The shifter is the electronic kind found on many Lexus hybrids. Easy to use, simply slide left then downward for Drive. On top of the gauge cluster are the ‘horns’ inspired from the LFA. The left horn is the traction control/VSC, Snow mode, and Auto High Beams. The right horn is the Driver Mode Select with Eco, Comfort, Normal, Custom, Sport, and Sport+. I started in normal just to get a baseline feel. Press the accelerator and the LC moves along without protest. Shifts are virtually unnoticeable with the new Direct Shift 10-Speed automatic in Normal, very smooth. The naturally aspirated 5.0L V8 with 471hp and 398lbft has a balancing act with both an efficient Atkinson cycle and a powerful Otto cycle for loads. Eco mode reduces throttle response and tries to get to the top end gears more quickly. Comfort mode was just that, absorbing bumps and road imperfections well. In fact I found that to be my favorite mode, maybe I’m just getting old .
The LC features an all new double joint multi-link suspension system teamed with a low profile multi-link suspension in the rear. The AVS which responds to immediate driving conditions does about 650 processes a second, helping minimize body motion and maximizing control. This is perhaps why I loved Comfort mode so much. I beg of Lexus to add a Comfort mode to the GS, RX, and other models ASAP. Steering based on the mode is effortless though a little artificial. It is however very direct. The slightest turn, and you’re going in that direction.
In Sport mode and Sport+ the LC really becomes a different animal. The closely spaced gear ratios result in rhythmic shifting, and how an engine sounds directly influences how a person feels about a vehicle. On the LC, Lexus tuned the sound (not synthesized) as it passes through the dual intakes and out the exhaust. As the engine tone changes in response to rpm, its different frequencies are harmonized into an exhilarating sound that reverberates throughout the cabin. It’s beyond intoxicating to lay the hammer down, let off, and then downshift to hear the bark of the engine during rev matching. I still grin every time I think about it. Sure the IS F, RC F, and GS F can all give a similar sensation, but none as refined or buttoned down as the LC.
Lexus’s intent with the LC was to connect with the driver by communicating what the vehicle is doing through sound, motion, and sensation. To me if felt as if you’re plugged right in. The LC is a big coupe, but drives small, something I think people with appreciate.
Overall Impressions:
Suffice to say I am very smitten with the LC. Personally I love its subjective design inside and out, I love how it sounds, and I’m impressed with the material selection. This car is not perfect by any means, the lack of a sun glass holder, the small moon roof, the digging of some climate controls, the sun washed screen, are all gripes that hopefully will be addressed over time. Until then though, the LC is really the next step forward for Lexus. It’s wonderful to see how expressive Lexus was with this project and the upcoming LS. Hopefully the 5GS will be just as emotional. I know a lot of people harp on the Lexus for having an ‘old engine’ or so they claim, but it’s perfectly suited for duty in the LC. In fact enjoy it while it lasts before the LC500 gets the LS500’s 3.5L TTV6. The three words that Lexus has been holding close to heart while crafting new vehicles on the GA-L platform are: Brave, Thoughtful, and Imaginative. So far Lexus IMO has fulfilled that with the LC. Some models further down the Lexus stable have some ways to go before we can associate them with those words, but Lexus is off to a great start. I implore everyone to go drive an LC if they get an opportunity or some free time, and try NOT to leave with a smile on their face.
Great write up! Thanks for the thoughts. The new LC is a transformational product that pushes the Lexus brand into a higher level
What you say would make some sense IF more people would actually take the time to read it in the first place, whether on paper or in an E-file. I've been driving for almost 50 years, yet I certainly don't claim to know everything behind the wheel, especially with the complexities of today's Android/Bluetooth/GPS/I-Pod and other electronic systems. Most things in a car, I can easily operate intuitively, without consulting the Manual, but not the electronics. There, I'm probably behind a typical eighth-grader of today.
Also, consider that printing does not have to be derived on tree-obtained paper.....it can be synthetically made. And, the last time I checked, paper can't fail or err like electronics.
But...as Steve pointed out before, is the thread about the LC or about manuals?
I believe that making the owners manual available as an electronic file on the infotainment system is good; I believe now more people will read it.
I admit that I do not keep the full leather portfolio of owners material in the car; I keep it in the house simply because it takes up so much space in the rather small glove compartment of my ES. Despite that, I will admit that I have probably actually read more of the owners manual because I found it online, so when I have needed to find something, I searched for it in the electronic copy; if I had no choice but to flip through the paper pages, however, I probably would not have read it at all.
Having the manual available on the infotainment system will now mean that it is always available and more likely to be read, in my opinion.
I believe that making the owners manual available as an electronic file on the infotainment system is good; I believe now more people will read it.
I admit that I do not keep the full leather portfolio of owners material in the car; I keep it in the house simply because it takes up so much space in the rather small glove compartment of my ES. Despite that, I will admit that I have probably actually read more of the owners manual because I found it online, so when I have needed to find something, I searched for it in the electronic copy; if I had no choice but to flip through the paper pages, however, I probably would not have read it at all.
Having the manual available on the infotainment system will now mean that it is always available and more likely to be read, in my opinion.
What if I left the owners manual at home because the glove compartment is too small to fit what I want and need in the compartment, and the owners manual?
05-19-17, 06:55 PM
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yeah I don’t get it either.. funny enough where the Lexus Enform SOS button is, there is now a plastic cover on it that you have to flip down in order to access the SOS button. This is to reduce the likelihood of owners pressing the button by accident. As for the trunk, it is very shallow and there is no pass through or spare tire. The LC utilizes run-flat tires because of this. In place of the spare the battery and some fuse boxes are located under the trunk floor to better help distribute weight.
