Feeling the pull of the SUV...drove a 2017 Range Rover HSE
03-29-17, 07:08 AM
#31
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Oh yeah, you would love the visibility Mike
No, didn't like the rotary **** on the Pacifica either, but on a vehicle like that it would bug me less than on a vehicle like the Range Rover. Salesman said it's a common complaint.
Wouldn't call the RR a "dedicated off-roader", it's not a GWagon. It's primary life will be spent on the road and you can see that they understand that in the design.
No, didn't like the rotary **** on the Pacifica either, but on a vehicle like that it would bug me less than on a vehicle like the Range Rover. Salesman said it's a common complaint.
Wouldn't call the RR a "dedicated off-roader", it's not a GWagon. It's primary life will be spent on the road and you can see that they understand that in the design.
03-29-17, 07:16 AM
#32
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if one doesn't want traditional RR looks, the new velar looks incredible.
thanks for the awesome review of the hse... fabulous vehicle. 2 of my brothers own big RRs, one probably about a 2013 or so and the other had a 'new' one then around 2014 but not has a much older one because he got a mid life crisis bmw z4 but still wanted a classic rr
they LOVE them and have had no issues at all.
obviously having a brand new one for just a lease period isn't risky at all - i'd love to drive one.
thanks for the awesome review of the hse... fabulous vehicle. 2 of my brothers own big RRs, one probably about a 2013 or so and the other had a 'new' one then around 2014 but not has a much older one because he got a mid life crisis bmw z4 but still wanted a classic rr
they LOVE them and have had no issues at all.obviously having a brand new one for just a lease period isn't risky at all - i'd love to drive one.
03-29-17, 07:18 AM
#33
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the air suspension will get them there without spilling a flask of scotch or some tea.
03-29-17, 07:18 AM
#34
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Yeah the Velar looks awesome, and has just enough of the RR look while being smooth and contemporary, I'm looking forward to seeing one in person.
If you like your Jeep you would love this. It's like the ultimate Jeep lol. They clearly had the RR in mind when they designed the Grand Cherokee.
It's like I told my wife, what if I have to show a house on the other side of a mountain? Or a deep river? Or a bog? How can I afford NOT to get this Range Rover? She didn't seem to follow my logic lol
If you like your Jeep you would love this. It's like the ultimate Jeep lol. They clearly had the RR in mind when they designed the Grand Cherokee.
It's like I told my wife, what if I have to show a house on the other side of a mountain? Or a deep river? Or a bog? How can I afford NOT to get this Range Rover? She didn't seem to follow my logic lol
03-29-17, 07:21 AM
#35
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There's no question that back-up cameras and side/cross-traffic alert systems help, but, IMO, there's no substitute for good old-fashioned glass...even in the sun, with today's efficient A/C systems.
I'll give you this much.......I prefer it to the classic E-Shifters.
(Speaking of that, I'm going to take another Lacrosse out on a test-drive today, after my daily swim, not for a review, but to specifically see if I can get used to the shifter)
Yes, like the Toyota Land Cruiser and Lexus LX, it comes with an (apparently) very quiet, on-road pavement tread-pattern for the tires that won't growl and moan like off-road tires. My point, though, was that if and when one does go off-road (and it their insurance policy allows it....many don't), there has to be enough rubber in the sidewalls to keep from damaging or destroying those expensive alloy wheels.
No, didn't like the rotary **** on the Pacifica either, but on a vehicle like that it would bug me less than on a vehicle like the Range Rover. Salesman said it's a common complaint.
(Speaking of that, I'm going to take another Lacrosse out on a test-drive today, after my daily swim, not for a review, but to specifically see if I can get used to the shifter)
Wouldn't call the RR a "dedicated off-roader", it's not a GWagon. It's primary life will be spent on the road and you can see that they understand that in the design.
03-29-17, 11:50 AM
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03-29-17, 12:05 PM
#37
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03-29-17, 03:21 PM
#38
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03-29-17, 03:34 PM
#39
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In many cases where someone is choosing to pay cash for a vehicle like this they may have sold or traded in a high end vehicle. Say their sale or trade in generated $40- $50k, the out of pocket becomes around $50k. Very doable.
03-29-17, 03:45 PM
#40
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Its all relative. If you're at the income level where you should be to entertain purchasing a car like this, the car payment is a smaller % of your monthly income than most people's car payments are on their Corollas, Camrys etc. If you're going to pay cash for it, you've got cash lol. Personally I would never pay cash for any car but thats another topic.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
Last edited by SW17LS; 03-29-17 at 04:01 PM.
03-29-17, 04:11 PM
#41
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Its all relative. If you're at the income level where you should be to entertain purchasing a car like this, the car payment is a smaller % of your monthly income than most people's car payments are on their Corollas, Camrys etc. If you're going to pay cash for it, you've got cash lol. Personally I would never pay cash for any car but thats another topic.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
Don't take any of this personally, Steve. We all know that, as a responsible real estate agent, homeowner, husband, and father, you would not bite off more than you can chew on a new car. It needs no detailed explanation. Same here....I wouldn't be looking at premium/entry-luxury sedans in the price range I currently am if I couldn't afford it, either. Those of us who regularly give car-buying advice to others are usually not careless enough to get in over our own heads LOL.
03-29-17, 04:39 PM
#42
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Range Rover Sports is the one as a bench mark. One of the top class as far as off-road adventure goes.n design philosophy which they adhere to traditionally. As a consumer one needs to resonate to that design philosophy. Like some are smaller statue female friendly to appeal to them. At my age all I care in driving is comfort and
safety and on top of that reliability, probably in that order.
safety and on top of that reliability, probably in that order.
03-29-17, 10:01 PM
#43
Racer
My wife is in the market for a large SUV and I've always asked her to at least test drive the RR (we have a dealership ~5 miles away for potentially-frequent-service/repair-visits...hehe) but she has steadfastly refused time after time simply because of the perceived reliability. I'm thinking if I get a CPO one that may be a short-mid-term decent decision should it come down to it. Glad you were able to validate that, despite pre-conceived reliability woes, the RR is a stoutly built vehicle that deserves a look!
03-29-17, 10:12 PM
#44
Racer
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it.
Read FastTags sticky on leasing. Well written and helped remove the mysteries of leasing for me. Based on that sticky, wow that MF truly is high! Man, and I thought the RRS lease was high at $1300...but actually, $1450 isn't bad since the RR is significantly more expensive than the RRS. I guess we're just not there yet in terms of income nor wealth.
03-30-17, 06:32 AM
#45
Its all relative. If you're at the income level where you should be to entertain purchasing a car like this, the car payment is a smaller % of your monthly income than most people's car payments are on their Corollas, Camrys etc. If you're going to pay cash for it, you've got cash lol. Personally I would never pay cash for any car but thats another topic.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
To me its a question of value. $100,000 is a LOT of money to spend on a car, its something I CAN do, but the car has to be something special. Does this qualify? I think so...I think an S550 would qualify too, although like I said I have a drive to try something new and I have to explore if that means a different make or an entirely different sort of vehicle.
You do pay a premium over a 6 figure flagship sedan. Model spec'ed at $100,450 with a $2k discount, so $98,450. If you lease its interesting, their MF is terrible, .00205, but their residual is incredible, 62% 15k 36 months. The diesel has an even better residual but slightly higher MF. With $2k off and everything rolled in, nothing out of pocket it was $1,442 36/15. I'd be afraid to do less mileage because of the very high residual, would be worried I wouldn't be able to get back out of it. I would also have to consider purchasing because of the bonus depreciation I could take as a business owner. Have to look at the numbers and see what was best.
Like I said, its a LOT of money, $1,450/mo is a beach condo lol
If you compare it to an S550 optioned how I would want, MSRP $113,215...$15,000 off of that is no problem. Lease rates MF right now is .00114 for AWD, residual for 15k is 51%. So for a 36 month 15k lease on a $113k S550 I'm looking at $1,405. Thats less monthly for a $13,000 more expensive vehicle.
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