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Old 02-07-17, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
No V8?....
Starting on MY14 Expeditions they have not used a V8.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
No V8?....
Nope, and it doesn't need it. Lots of speculation we'll see a release of the 2.7L V6 Ecoobost and 3.0L V6 diesel later on though.
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seems ford has licked reliability issues with the ecoboost (turbo) 4s and 6s... i've not heard of any problems. and man does that v6 ecoboost scoot.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
seems ford has licked reliability issues with the ecoboost (turbo) 4s and 6s... i've not heard of any problems. and man does that v6 ecoboost scoot.
Ford has been very particular about promoting a hard working, reliable, efficient EcoBoost engine. In case you've forgotten the EcoBoost Torture Test. When EcoBoost was coming on strong for Ford in 2010, a random EcoBoost V6 was plucked off the assembly line, put through the ringer, and then disassembled at the Detroit Auto Show in 2011 for all to see

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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01...ooks-like.html

A production EcoBoost V-6 engine, serial number 448AA, was randomly selected off the assembly line at Ford’s Cleveland engine plant. The dual-overhead-cam power plant was shipped to dynamometer cell 36B in the Ford Dearborn engine labs and run for 300 hours to replicate the equivalent of 150,000 customer miles, including repeated temperature-shock runs when the engine was cooled to minus 20 degrees Fahrenheit and then heated to 235 degrees.

The engine was then shipped to Ford's Kansas City truck plant and installed in an F-150 4X4 crew-cab pickup. It was driven to Nygaard Timber in Astoria, Ore., and put to work as a log skidder, dragging a total of 110,000 pounds of logs across the ground to demonstrate its 420 pounds-feet of torque.

From there, the truck was driven across the country to Homestead Miami Speedway, where it was hooked up to a trailer carrying two of Richard Petty’s Ford Fusion racecars, a load of 11,300 pounds, and run continuously around the track for 24 hours, averaging 82 mph and covering 1,607 miles.

It was then taken to Davis Dam in Arizona, where it bested both the 5.3-liter Chevy Silverado V-8 and the Ram 5.7-liter Hemi V-8 in an uphill towing contest pulling 9,000 pounds up a 6 percent grade on Highway 68.

Finally, the 3.5-liter twin-turbo EcoBoost engine was shipped to Mike McCarthy’s race shop in Wickenburg, Ariz., and installed in his 7,100-pound F-150 race truck. McCarthy practiced locally for 1,200 miles and raced the truck in the SCORE Baja 1000, the toughest off-road race in North America, finishing first overall in the new Stock Engine class after 1,062 race miles.

McCarthy said the engine’s fuel economy was so good compared with his previous V-8 engines that he was able to skip two planned fuel stops during the Baja event, which helped him win the class.

After Baja, the thoroughly thrashed and raced engine was shipped back to Ford headquarters in Dearborn, Mich., and dyno-tested once again. It was found to produce 364 horsepower and 420 pounds-feet of torque, just one horsepower less than its rating and exactly the same output as its nominal torque rating, according to Ford.

A leakdown test was performed to measure how well the engine’s 24 intake and exhaust valves and piston rings were still able to seal the cylinders. One cylinder was found to have a cautionary 13 percent air loss past the combustion chamber’s seals, while all other cylinders were acceptable with single digits of air leakage.

Oil pressure at idle on the dyno was normal, in the mid-40 psi range.

After the dyno, engine 448AA, which had never been opened or inspected, was shipped to the Detroit auto show where, on Saturday, it was torn down for inspection in front of a live audience of more than a thousand Ford engine enthusiasts and their families.

The teardown was narrated for the audience by Jim Mazuchowski, Ford’s chief engineer for V-6 engines. Powertrain engineer Phil Fabien explained the advantages of things like turbocharging, direct fuel injection and twin independent variable cam timing while engine technicians Chris Brown on the right bank and Chris Rahill on the left bank took the engine apart using a pair of air wrenches and hand tools.

As they went, the engine parts were laid out on three huge tables so that when the tear-down was complete, the engineers and the audience could take a closer look. During the tear-down, engineers Steve Matera, Kirk Sheffer and Jeanne Wei organized the parts and made some key measurements.

Valve lash, which measures valvetrain clearance between the camshafts and valves, was checked at 0.17 mm on the intakes and 0.38 mm on the exhausts. That’s well within normal range for both, according to Ford. Crankshaft end play was measured at 0.12 mm, also acceptable.

The timing chain, which controls valve timing and synchronizes engine operation, was still within normal tolerances. With age, a timing belt loses tension, and a hydraulically operated timing chain tensioner is used to compensate for slack. The tensioner has 10 teeth that work like a ratchet to maintain tension. The EcoBoost V-6 used three teeth, well within the timing chain’s operating specs.

We didn’t get a photo of the valves, but they had carbon deposits similar to that found (and seen in pictures) on piston combustion surfaces.

Visual inspection of the cylinder heads, twin turbos, piston crowns, ring lands, rod bearings and cylinder bores by the engineers and your correspondent showed no major signs of anomalous wear after 163,000 miles of endurance testing. The main bearings showed cosmetic grooves but not excessive wear through the metal.

Engineer Wei said each and every part would be taken back to Ford’s labs to be checked with scales, cameras, lasers, micrometers and other measuring tools to get the final details on the rich, full life of EcoBoost V-6 engine 448AA.

You can see the disassembled engine with your own eyes until Jan. 23 at NAIAS.

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Old 02-07-17, 10:50 PM
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Good to see Ford not abandoning body on frame. This looks like a Explorer but only bigger. Should do well for the Ford faithful. Interesting to see Ford get a head of the curve by sticking to a turbo V6 and eliminating the V8.
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Old 02-07-17, 11:02 PM
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I've always liked the Expidition better than the Suburban/Yukon, hopefully now that they have the same interior as the new F150, people will finally start realizing Ford has a better truck(and has for years IMO).
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Ford has been very particular about promoting a hard working, reliable, efficient EcoBoost engine. In case you've forgotten the EcoBoost Torture Test. When EcoBoost was coming on strong for Ford in 2010, a random EcoBoost V6 was plucked off the assembly line, put through the ringer, and then disassembled at the Detroit Auto Show in 2011 for all to see
Do you know if that test is (or, was) credible or not...or if it actually took place in that manner? Auto manufacturers are known for sometimes portraying misleading, stretched, altered, or even false data in their attempts to sway potential customers.
Just look at the trouble, for example, that VW got into with the diesel-emissions, or what Hyundai (and even Ford itself, for that matter) got into on the fuel-economy postings.

In other words, what I'm trying to ask is that can we actually believe that that random test took place in that actual manner, and that Ford actually tore down that specific engine at that particular auto show? I'm not saying that the article (or Ford) is lying or inaccurate...but I've seen enough shenanigans and double-talk in the auto industry over the years to sometimes be a little skeptical.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Do you know if that test is (or, was) credible or not...or if it actually took place in that manner? Auto manufacturers are known for sometimes portraying misleading, stretched, altered, or even false data in their attempts to sway potential customers.
Just look at the trouble, for example, that VW got into with the diesel-emissions, or what Hyundai (and even Ford itself, for that matter) got into on the fuel-economy postings.

In other words, what I'm trying to ask is that can we actually believe that that random test took place in that actual manner, and that Ford actually tore down that specific engine at that particular auto show? I'm not saying that the article (or Ford) is lying or inaccurate...but I've seen enough shenanigans and double-talk in the auto industry over the years to sometimes be a little skeptical.
The EcoBoost V6 is going in Ford's GT Halo car that alone speaks for the motor. It will be a tuned version of course since it's putting down 6XXHP. But I've yet to hear anyone local I know that has one in a F150 say anything bad about them.
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For the record, I've definitely heard about problems with the Ecoboost motors especially when they first came out, but I would absolutely not hesitate to own one.
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
For the record, I've definitely heard about problems with the Ecoboost motors especially when they first came out, but I would absolutely not hesitate to own one.
They are coming out with new variants of the Ecoboost; yes there were issues with ownership plaguing early model ones but Ford has so much riding on the Ecoboost they will spend whatever it takes to get it right. I mean almost every car in their line-up has an EB option now....or maybe EVERY car in their line up has an EB option right?
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Very nice!
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hoovey amazing torture test, thanks for sharing.
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Here's a detailed static-review of the new Expedition EL at the Chicago Auto Show.



.......and here's another guy at the same display narrating both new Expedition models.


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What will the 3.5 Ecoboost rating be? The current base is 365 hp and 395 ft/lb torque. The high end (excepting the Ford GT) is in the new Raptor at 450 hp and 510 ft/lb.

I have seen the F150 Platinum interior and it is spectacular! The top end Expedition should be a real competitor for the GMC Denali. Picture this with the Lincoln grill from the Continental and that is close to the new Navigator. More room, better ride, and faster than the Escalade. Now to work on image!
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Looks good much better than the Toyota Sequoia or Nissan Armada which I rarely see even though they recently redesigned the Armada, i'm sure it will be very roomy, I remember the 2003 back then already in my opinion had one of the best third rows vs the GM full size SUVs i'm sure this one would be even better.
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