Self-Driving Vehicles
#331
LOL, best post in the whole thread but you left out the MAN BUN!
#333
Pole Position
We should remember that autonomously driven vehicles can co-exist with human drivers. No one is suggesting that all cars or even 50% of the cars in the US will be fully autonomous, only that they will be fairly prevalent (20-30%?). There will still be 16 year olds learning to drive, but driver education, training and the driving experience itself could be fundamentally different from today's due to the seamless integration of autonomous driving features into every car. Many of today's cars (lacking these driving aids) will still be running in 2033, but would you teach your kids to drive in a 16-20 year-old car? I didn't think so.
#334
Lexus Test Driver
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Exactly. And try other countries, where people are lucky to be able to afford a beat up scooter, much less a car.
This whole self driving car lunacy only works in a perfect world, where the car is brand new with zero mechanical wear and all electronics and computers are in perfect working order, somewhere in a sunny part of California on a road specifically built for self driving cars to take 45 year old lumbersexual hipsters to pick up beard oil from a dedicated Whole Foods store while sipping on their glutten free kale latte paid for by mommy and daddy. In the real world - not so much.
This whole self driving car lunacy only works in a perfect world, where the car is brand new with zero mechanical wear and all electronics and computers are in perfect working order, somewhere in a sunny part of California on a road specifically built for self driving cars to take 45 year old lumbersexual hipsters to pick up beard oil from a dedicated Whole Foods store while sipping on their glutten free kale latte paid for by mommy and daddy. In the real world - not so much.
#335
Lexus Fanatic
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#337
Lexus Fanatic
This technology is coming, too many people have invested too much into it to just walk away from it. Why do you think Google has had "google cars" driving around for the last 7 years solid perfecting their technology if we're never going to have self driving cars?
This is not science fiction like flying cars...this is 100% in the works, people are investing in and working on this every day right now.
#338
Lexus Champion
But we already have cars that basically drive themselves on highways. The question is not do you think having self driving cars is smart, its "will self driving cars exist" and the answer is they basically do already.
This technology is coming, too many people have invested too much into it to just walk away from it. Why do you think Google has had "google cars" driving around for the last 7 years solid perfecting their technology if we're never going to have self driving cars?
This is not science fiction like flying cars...this is 100% in the works, people are investing in and working on this every day right now.
This technology is coming, too many people have invested too much into it to just walk away from it. Why do you think Google has had "google cars" driving around for the last 7 years solid perfecting their technology if we're never going to have self driving cars?
This is not science fiction like flying cars...this is 100% in the works, people are investing in and working on this every day right now.
Even the lowly Toyota Corolla now comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense P with Auto High Beam, Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist. That is enough technology to allow the Corolla to drive itself on the highway: it will follow the car in front, right to a stop, and actively keep the car in the lane (by correcting the steering). Yes, the driver has to keep his/her hands on the wheel but that is likely more of a legal CYA thing right now.
You no longer need to drive a Mercedes-Benz or Tesla to have a self-driving car.
#339
Lexus Champion
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Then there will be drivers of regular cars cutting in front of these in situation where traffic is backed up at certain exits or intersections. An autonomous car will never drive aggressively or not let another car cut in, so regular drivers will take advantage of these slowpokes.
Then there are situation when there are no obstacles, but human instinct tells you to slow down. You may see kids playing ball on the sidewalk, a drunk person walking unpredictably, perhaps a loose dog or a cat that might run in front of you.
There are situations where you need to communicate with another driver to let you in front of him when you're stuck in the wrong lane at an intersection and need to make a turn.
Will a self driving car shovel itself out of snow when it gets stuck? What about mechanical failures? What about electronic failures? What happens when an over air updates goes wrong and computer freezes up? What happens when the car loses signal to satellite or several autonomous cars lose signal when communicating with each other?
Will a self driving BMW tailgate and try to run a self driving Prius off the road?
#340
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (3)
Exactly.
Even the lowly Toyota Corolla now comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense P with Auto High Beam, Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist. That is enough technology to allow the Corolla to drive itself on the highway: it will follow the car in front, right to a stop, and actively keep the car in the lane (by correcting the steering). Yes, the driver has to keep his/her hands on the wheel but that is likely more of a legal CYA thing right now.
You no longer need to drive a Mercedes-Benz or Tesla to have a self-driving car.
Even the lowly Toyota Corolla now comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense P with Auto High Beam, Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist. That is enough technology to allow the Corolla to drive itself on the highway: it will follow the car in front, right to a stop, and actively keep the car in the lane (by correcting the steering). Yes, the driver has to keep his/her hands on the wheel but that is likely more of a legal CYA thing right now.
You no longer need to drive a Mercedes-Benz or Tesla to have a self-driving car.
Most of these technologies are useless, annoying gimmicks and people just shut them off because all the do is constantly make annoying beeping.
#341
Lexus Fanatic
I live in and grew up in Washington, DC. I'm well aware of what driving in cities is like. As I said, self driving cars in city settings will be the last place, but I have 100% confidence it is coming. As I said self driving cars on the highway aren't only coming, they're already here.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
#342
1UZFE/2JZGTE
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Most of you that think self driving cars are feasible, obviously have never been a large city and don't understand how this technology works. In NYC where pedestrians and bicyclers do not obey traffic signals at all, autonomous cars computer will never dim its safe for the car to move because the pedestrians will just keep crossing the road on red light non stop. Bring your self driving car to Times Square after 8am, and you'll be sitting there until 3am until the crowd eases and you get a chance to move. Right now as a driver your have to inch your way onto pedestrians to be able to go through - show a bit of hesitation and there are hordes of people crossing the road in front of you on your green.
Then there will be drivers of regular cars cutting in front of these in situation where traffic is backed up at certain exits or intersections. An autonomous car will never drive aggressively or not let another car cut in, so regular drivers will take advantage of these slowpokes.
Then there are situation when there are no obstacles, but human instinct tells you to slow down. You may see kids playing ball on the sidewalk, a drunk person walking unpredictably, perhaps a loose dog or a cat that might run in front of you.
There are situations where you need to communicate with another driver to let you in front of him when you're stuck in the wrong lane at an intersection and need to make a turn.
Will a self driving car shovel itself out of snow when it gets stuck? What about mechanical failures? What about electronic failures? What happens when an over air updates goes wrong and computer freezes up? What happens when the car loses signal to satellite or several autonomous cars lose signal when communicating with each other?
Will a self driving BMW tailgate and try to run a self driving Prius off the road?
Then there will be drivers of regular cars cutting in front of these in situation where traffic is backed up at certain exits or intersections. An autonomous car will never drive aggressively or not let another car cut in, so regular drivers will take advantage of these slowpokes.
Then there are situation when there are no obstacles, but human instinct tells you to slow down. You may see kids playing ball on the sidewalk, a drunk person walking unpredictably, perhaps a loose dog or a cat that might run in front of you.
There are situations where you need to communicate with another driver to let you in front of him when you're stuck in the wrong lane at an intersection and need to make a turn.
Will a self driving car shovel itself out of snow when it gets stuck? What about mechanical failures? What about electronic failures? What happens when an over air updates goes wrong and computer freezes up? What happens when the car loses signal to satellite or several autonomous cars lose signal when communicating with each other?
Will a self driving BMW tailgate and try to run a self driving Prius off the road?
What about worn out roads where lane marking is not even visible anymore? What if there are potholes, black ice, deep water on the road?
Most of these technologies are useless, annoying gimmicks and people just shut them off because all the do is constantly make annoying beeping.
Most of these technologies are useless, annoying gimmicks and people just shut them off because all the do is constantly make annoying beeping.
I live in and grew up in Washington, DC. I'm well aware of what driving in cities is like. As I said, self driving cars in city settings will be the last place, but I have 100% confidence it is coming. As I said self driving cars on the highway aren't only coming, they're already here.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
#343
Pole Position
What about worn out roads where lane marking is not even visible anymore? What if there are potholes, black ice, deep water on the road?
Most of these technologies are useless, annoying gimmicks and people just shut them off because all the do is constantly make annoying beeping.
Most of these technologies are useless, annoying gimmicks and people just shut them off because all the do is constantly make annoying beeping.
https://waymo.com
#345
Lexus Champion
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You are looking at the autonomous driving technology "glass" as Half Empty. Many here including me see it as Half Full. There are definitely challenges, but people are well aware of all the issues you have raised and trying to find solutions. Take a look at this link for Waymo, the former Google Car. You may be surprised how far the technology has come.
https://waymo.com
https://waymo.com
I live in and grew up in Washington, DC. I'm well aware of what driving in cities is like. As I said, self driving cars in city settings will be the last place, but I have 100% confidence it is coming. As I said self driving cars on the highway aren't only coming, they're already here.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
I think you are unaware just how far this technology has already come. What's available on cars now it's not even a tip if it.
I'm actually going to go on a limb here and say that some of the technology that we already have on cars may go away soon. There was already a case of a Darwin award winner who chose to ignore all the warnings his self driving Tesla gave him before taking him out of the gene pool. I'm sure the lawyers will have a field day with this case, and depending on the outcome car manufacturers will likely just drop this technology all together to avoid liability.