2018 Camry revealed
06-21-17, 10:05 AM
#301
Lexus Test Driver
Exciting - not necessarily for the Camry (not dissing the Camry) but seeing how this will impact the other Toyota vehicles as well as, eventually, the Lexus line-up. Toyota's powerplants have been good, but not exciting nor new. The TT V6 in the LS500 was a (I think) step in the right direction to catch up with the other marquee brands in this space. I think the 2018 Accord was said to also use the 1.5L turbo found in the Civic & CR-V, so I'd assume eventually Toyota sedans will also adopt a turbo powerplant eventually.
06-21-17, 11:50 AM
#302
Lexus Fanatic
To those who are complaining about Toyotas choice of marketing higher HP with the use of premium Vs the the choice of marketing slightly lower HP with regular, this is not the first time they have done. For as long as I can remember dating back to the 80s, Toyota power ratings were achieved with the use of 91. It was always marketed with 91 as the fuel used. Somewhere in 05, Toyota agreed to follow a SAE spec in that the marketing needs to match what is recommended. I am assuming most on here are too young to remember how things where back then. For reference, the 2007 Toyota Camry 3.5 made 280hp with the use of premium. (they just never needed to tell you that the rating was achieved with premium in the tank)
Now, with the current Camry, they are using 200+ and 300+ horsepower ratings to market against against Turbos which need premium anyways for the full HP ratings.
Now, with the current Camry, they are using 200+ and 300+ horsepower ratings to market against against Turbos which need premium anyways for the full HP ratings.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-21-17 at 11:54 AM.
06-21-17, 11:55 AM
#303
Lexus Fanatic
To those who are complaining about Toyotas choice of marketing higher HP with the use of premium Vs the the choice of marketing slightly lower HP with regular, this is not the first time they have done. For as long as I can remember dating back to the 80s, Toyota power ratings were achieved with the use of 91. It was always marketed with 91 as the fuel used. Somewhere in 05, Toyota agreed to follow a SAE spec in that the marketing needs to match what is recommended. I am assuming most on here are too young to remember how things where back then.
Now, with the current Camry, they are using 200+ and 300+ horsepower ratings to market against against Turbos which need premium anyways for the full HP ratings.
Now, with the current Camry, they are using 200+ and 300+ horsepower ratings to market against against Turbos which need premium anyways for the full HP ratings.
Is this why the HP went from 290 to 278, and the torque from 320 to 312, in the 2006 LS430?
Anyhow, in 2018, 267 ft. lbs out of 3.5 liters is weak.
06-21-17, 12:05 PM
#304
Lexus Fanatic
06-21-17, 12:25 PM
#305
Lexus Fanatic
The decrease in power ratings for the LS430 was not because of now requiring regular. It dropped because the SAE spec required a different testing method. While the 06 LS still needed premium, it was now tested with certain items such as the air compressor attached, power steering belts attached, and other belts that eat horsepower. Compared to a 4.7 4Runner Vs a GX470, one gets rated with regular gas (4Runner at 258hp) while the GX gets tested with premium (GX get 263 hp). Does this make sense now? The 4Runner still gets 263 hp but you need to give it Premium but Toyota does not advertise this SAE spec rating. The 2005 4Runner and GX make the same power rating, but Toyota does not tell the 4Runner onwer they need premium whole the GX gets premium slapped on the fuel door.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-21-17 at 12:28 PM.
06-21-17, 12:35 PM
#307
Lexus Fanatic
VW did exactly this with the latest GTI. The 2015 model had a premium sticker on the gas door, the 2016 model said 87, identical vehicles, no changes at all. Premium is nothing to brag about, as I've seen some retailers gouge by 80 cents more for it over regular. Costco is a good thing.
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06-21-17, 12:37 PM
#308
Lexus Fanatic
Well, from a durability, reliability, and cost pov, I don't think the ratings for the new 3.5 are bad at all. I am sure Toyota could get more. But would it cost more to make it as durable and reliable.
Toyota has always been conservative for power ratings. Historically Toyota had better efficiency and drive train loss ratings. It's nothing new. What was a RWD STS making in 05 compared to the LS ratings for power? I think the STS had almost 35 more horses.
Toyota has always been conservative for power ratings. Historically Toyota had better efficiency and drive train loss ratings. It's nothing new. What was a RWD STS making in 05 compared to the LS ratings for power? I think the STS had almost 35 more horses.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-21-17 at 12:41 PM.
06-21-17, 01:03 PM
#309
Lexus Fanatic
If I recall, no, there was always an asterisk or something by the numbers indicating they are achieved with premium...
edit, I googled, and found this....it's quite circular in its reasoning and explanation....but I think, VW didn't want a stigma associated that cars MUST use premium....it sounds like it's a MUST with the new Camry?
http://www.newcenturyvw.com/blog/wha...oes-my-vw-use/
edit, I googled, and found this....it's quite circular in its reasoning and explanation....but I think, VW didn't want a stigma associated that cars MUST use premium....it sounds like it's a MUST with the new Camry?
http://www.newcenturyvw.com/blog/wha...oes-my-vw-use/
06-21-17, 02:18 PM
#311
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maybe this article or same info already posted, but i have to say this new camry is impressive. 
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...ore-efficient/
i was surprised to read they will offer hybrid in a number of trim levels but only the low end one has lithium ion, while the higher trims use the older nickel metal hydride. i wonder why?
article says 41hwy for regular 4 banger, which is amazing. hard to imagine why anyone would want the v6.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...ore-efficient/
i was surprised to read they will offer hybrid in a number of trim levels but only the low end one has lithium ion, while the higher trims use the older nickel metal hydride. i wonder why?
article says 41hwy for regular 4 banger, which is amazing. hard to imagine why anyone would want the v6.
06-21-17, 02:30 PM
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Exciting - not necessarily for the Camry (not dissing the Camry) but seeing how this will impact the other Toyota vehicles as well as, eventually, the Lexus line-up. Toyota's powerplants have been good, but not exciting nor new. The TT V6 in the LS500 was a (I think) step in the right direction to catch up with the other marquee brands in this space. I think the 2018 Accord was said to also use the 1.5L turbo found in the Civic & CR-V, so I'd assume eventually Toyota sedans will also adopt a turbo powerplant eventually.
06-21-17, 05:28 PM
#315
I dont see Toyota adopting Turbo powerplants at least for the Camry in the near future & honestly dont see any reason to do so. The must have invested heavily in the new 4 cyl & hybrid to get this level of efficiency & performance without turbocharging or using CVT's. IMO the best thing Toyota could do the new Camry was to retain that lovely naturally aspirated V6 !