2018 Camry revealed
10-15-17, 03:47 PM
#601
Lexus Fanatic
CPO's, today, generally lessen the risk...but I agree that there still is nothing like something brand-new. And, for various reasons, even CPO's don't always fit the hoopla they are given.
10-15-17, 04:14 PM
#602
Lexus Fanatic
My sister had a CPO Lexus. It left her stranded half way to Montreal. She needed to be towed back all under warranty. It was a disaster after that as she had another $2000 repair. We later found out it was the dealer demo. She was royally pissed. Now she has a 3 series, she lives in Savannah Georgia. She is so happy with BMW.
10-15-17, 07:31 PM
#603
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Yes cpo means checked over by the dealer, not more than 3 years old perhaps and an extended warranty, but apart from that it's just another used car that may or may not have been treated horribly in its short existence. How lucky do you feel?
10-16-17, 12:00 AM
#604
I think you get what you pay for, and a brand new car is better than a cheaper 2 year old used car.
After 2 years, the price has fallen, but there is also progress in technology, plus: progressive deterioration of the paintwork, "fatigue" fractures, and progressive loosening of screws and body parts - developing in an used car.
After 2 years, the price has fallen, but there is also progress in technology, plus: progressive deterioration of the paintwork, "fatigue" fractures, and progressive loosening of screws and body parts - developing in an used car.
I've found Toyota products hold up really well to the miles/age. Currently rocking a 2004 Tacoma with 184,000 on it, interior doesn't have a single squeak/rattle, nothing inside has broke, everything works, the seats, carpet, dash, etc still looks mint. Feels tight as a drum.
10-16-17, 12:50 AM
#605
I've found Toyota products hold up really well to the miles/age. Currently rocking a 2004 Tacoma with 184,000 on it, interior doesn't have a single squeak/rattle, nothing inside has broke, everything works, the seats, carpet, dash, etc still looks mint. Feels tight as a drum.
I'm super picky, supersensitive to engine idle and revving NVH, cruising noise and creaks and rattles.
That's why I'm a heavy critic of my own 4GS and new TMC President Akio who changed many core philosophies around, like making TMC products have more style and dynamics.
Problem is, if I didn't buy the 4GS, what else could I have bought.
A Genesis G80 has its own set of pros and cons.
So for me, I have little else to choose from.
I'd have to drive with you in your car to really find out.
Generally speaking, just as a house deteriorates with age, a car will only do moreso.
10-16-17, 01:21 AM
#606
The problem is that everyone has a different level of pickiness.
I'm super picky, supersensitive to engine idle and revving NVH, cruising noise and creaks and rattles.
That's why I'm a heavy critic of my own 4GS and new TMC President Akio who changed many core philosophies around, like making TMC products have more style and dynamics.
Problem is, if I didn't buy the 4GS, what else could I have bought.
A Genesis G80 has its own set of pros and cons.
So for me, I have little else to choose from.
I'd have to drive with you in your car to really find out.
Generally speaking, just as a house deteriorates with age, a car will only do moreso.
I'm super picky, supersensitive to engine idle and revving NVH, cruising noise and creaks and rattles.
That's why I'm a heavy critic of my own 4GS and new TMC President Akio who changed many core philosophies around, like making TMC products have more style and dynamics.
Problem is, if I didn't buy the 4GS, what else could I have bought.
A Genesis G80 has its own set of pros and cons.
So for me, I have little else to choose from.
I'd have to drive with you in your car to really find out.
Generally speaking, just as a house deteriorates with age, a car will only do moreso.
BTW those miles on the truck were pretty easy ones, just back and forth to work on the interstate, 50 mile round trip commute, smooth roads, it doesn't snow where I live, so zero rust on the truck.
10-16-17, 02:32 AM
#607
A house, like a car, you have to sink money into after a while. A well built and well designed house, if maintained, tends to be timeless and appreciates. Hell just about any sort of house, even a cheap ***, shoddily built 1500sq ft tract house with a tiny lot appreciates over time. I think your comparison between a house and a car is wack.
BTW those miles on the truck were pretty easy ones, just back and forth to work on the interstate, 50 mile round trip commute, smooth roads, it doesn't snow where I live, so zero rust on the truck.
BTW those miles on the truck were pretty easy ones, just back and forth to work on the interstate, 50 mile round trip commute, smooth roads, it doesn't snow where I live, so zero rust on the truck.
Land + Building/House = Property
It is the land & overall property that appreciates.
It is land & overall property when you pay capital gains tax on the sale.
The house depreciates just like a car & electronic goods.
Though the house deteriorates more slowly & therefore depreciates more slowly than the car.
Electronic goods depreciate very rapidly and even faster than a car, because unlike home & car, the value of electronics isn't in the sheer size, but in high tech involved that is replaced very rapidly.
It is house, car & electronics depreciation that is claimed annually as expenses on your tax returns.
If houses appreciated as you say they do, then we wouldn't be able to write-off home expenses annually on our tax returns.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 10-16-17 at 06:51 AM.
10-16-17, 06:04 AM
#609
Lexus Fanatic
I agree, houses and cars are very different. For one, a house can be easily upgraded to be more modern and have all the latest amenities, it can be rebuilt, restyled, expanded, etc. cars really can’t be.
And by the way the value of the structure itself does not depreciate. You can depreciate a house on your taxes as a tax strategy, but look at the improvement value on your property tax bill. It doesn’t go down, it goes up.
And by the way the value of the structure itself does not depreciate. You can depreciate a house on your taxes as a tax strategy, but look at the improvement value on your property tax bill. It doesn’t go down, it goes up.
10-16-17, 06:30 AM
#610
Lexus Fanatic
Agree with you but recognize it's not everyone's pov.
That's a fact.
Yes cpo means checked over by the dealer, not more than 3 years old perhaps and an extended warranty, but apart from that it's just another used car that may or may not have been treated horribly in its short existence. How lucky do you feel?
That's a fact.
Yes cpo means checked over by the dealer, not more than 3 years old perhaps and an extended warranty, but apart from that it's just another used car that may or may not have been treated horribly in its short existence. How lucky do you feel?
Again look at my buddy's wife's Q5....stalled for no apparent reason, CPO, and $360 charge because the dealer could find nothing wrong....
10-16-17, 07:58 AM
#611
Pole Position
I've found Toyota products hold up really well to the miles/age. Currently rocking a 2004 Tacoma with 184,000 on it, interior doesn't have a single squeak/rattle, nothing inside has broke, everything works, the seats, carpet, dash, etc still looks mint. Feels tight as a drum.
10-16-17, 08:11 AM
#612
Lexus Test Driver
I've found Toyota products hold up really well to the miles/age. Currently rocking a 2004 Tacoma with 184,000 on it, interior doesn't have a single squeak/rattle, nothing inside has broke, everything works, the seats, carpet, dash, etc still looks mint. Feels tight as a drum.
10-16-17, 09:26 AM
#613
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
10-16-17, 02:06 PM
#614
Racer
Had to take my LS in for Paintless Dent Repair and was given a 2018 Camry SE as a rental for the day. After about 50 miles behind the wheel I feel it is an okay car.
The SE looks sharp and is roomy inside. The 18-inch tires and new TNGA platform combine to produce the best handling Camry I've ever driven. Taking sweeping turns and clover onramps put a smile on my face. However, to maintain the flat cornering the suspension can be jarring at times. The example I drove has the 4-cyclinder and is quite buzzy, but power is adequate. The car is a little noisy from what I would expect for a Camry. Moderate wind noise and significant tire noise intrudes into the cabin. The lower parts of the dash also utilize then plastics and you feel significant flex when pulling on covers over the USB and power ports. The window switches are feel cheap and stiff. Surprisingly, with only 1350 miles on the car, there was a fluttering nous above my head that only stopped when I pushed up against the headliner.
Overall, the car drives smaller than it is but I expected the level of refinement to be higher in this competiive segment. It seems the quality was higher in past Camry models. A decent car but not really compelling. I haven't experienced the competition but just expected more from the once dominant Camry name.
The SE looks sharp and is roomy inside. The 18-inch tires and new TNGA platform combine to produce the best handling Camry I've ever driven. Taking sweeping turns and clover onramps put a smile on my face. However, to maintain the flat cornering the suspension can be jarring at times. The example I drove has the 4-cyclinder and is quite buzzy, but power is adequate. The car is a little noisy from what I would expect for a Camry. Moderate wind noise and significant tire noise intrudes into the cabin. The lower parts of the dash also utilize then plastics and you feel significant flex when pulling on covers over the USB and power ports. The window switches are feel cheap and stiff. Surprisingly, with only 1350 miles on the car, there was a fluttering nous above my head that only stopped when I pushed up against the headliner.
Overall, the car drives smaller than it is but I expected the level of refinement to be higher in this competiive segment. It seems the quality was higher in past Camry models. A decent car but not really compelling. I haven't experienced the competition but just expected more from the once dominant Camry name.
Last edited by FatherTo1; 10-16-17 at 02:21 PM.
10-16-17, 02:11 PM
#615
Lexus Fanatic
Was it a 2017 or a 2018 Camry? The 2017 is not the new version, 2018 is.
