SW17LS

It's bigger than the GS, but not really bigger than the 5 Series and E300. They are also bigger than the GS.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

every time i see a g80/genesis on the road i do double take. seriously sharp car. a few have come by me while i'm standing in a parking lot and i can barely hear them at all. so i'm looking forward to seeing my first g90 sighting.

mmarshall

Have you driven a G80/Hyundai Genesis 5.0L yet ? If not, I highly recommend it...you're in for a real treat. I know you saw the review I did on one a couple of years ago....you commented on it.

I'm keeping an open mind, though, on the G90....Steve says it drives even better than the G80. We'll see.

Mr. Burns

It's one of the most soulless and derivative car designs on the market, fake Audi grill, bulbous headlights, generic BMW side bodywork. Double taking only because you mistook it for an Audi or BMW. The only cool part about it IMO is the rear taillight illumination design.

Maybe their compact sedan will be the first with some proper styling.

97-SC300

iTrader: (17)

These cars lack character. Even cheap brands like Ford and Mazda stand out. Here you got Hyundai and Genesis charging outrageous prices on vehicles that have no originality whatsoever. They might be nice vehicles but I cannot respect them copying a little bit from everybody else. They have yet to find their unique design language. Right now all I am seeing is Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, and BMW blended into one vehicle....

mmarshall

Hmmm...........you claim that these cars borrow from some of the classiest nameplates on the market, yet state that they still lack character?

Mr. Burns

Just because you do a cheap imitation of someone else's character, doesn't mean you have any real character of your own.

mmarshall

Fine. You guys are entitled to your opinions. I don't have problem with that. But I'd say drive it first (or at least, go check one out and sit in it)....then comment.

SW17LS

I would agree that they lack character overall. I would also say that for many, many years Lexus vehicles also lacked character. Lexus vehicles that I purchased and enjoyed were devoid of character.

It's really only since 2012 that Lexus has been making cars with "character" and they get absolutely derided for it.

As for "outrageous prices for Genesis cars". Lol, what?!? How is $69,000 an outrageous price for a LWB full sized luxury car? How is $50,000 outrageous for a loaded V8 midsize luxury car? That's $20,000 below their competitors for both vehicles.

It's really funny to me to see Lexus fans knock Genesis for being everything a Lexus has always been. Derivative, and amalgamation of everybody else's designs, soulless, devoid of character, an LS owner in another thread said "it's still a $70,000 Hyundai", it's absurd saying that while driving an $80,000 Toyota LOL

You're describing Genesis, but you're also describing what Lexus has always been.

There's really no reason for someone who has liked Lexus vehicles from 1990-2011 to not like these Genesis cars.

mmarshall

One could argue that the original 1Gen IS300 was the first true Lexus with character.. Its unusual (for Lexus) paint colors, slammer-style clear lens over the red taillights,Toyota-Altezza interior, chronograph-style gauge panel, polished chrome-steel ball shifter, and (imitiation) racing-pedals for the accelerator/brake/clutch were way out of line with anything else Lexus had produced up to then...and, to an extent, even since then. I owned a bright Solar Yellow IS300, BTW, for some five years....that's how I joined CL.

SW17LS

I would agree with that

BrownPride

Fair enough point but I guarantee that the Genesis G80 and G90 will age well. They have a restrained yet handsome look to them which tends to remain timeless. Cars with out-of-the-box styling elements like the new Lexus RX look flashy at first but will look very dated and garish in a matter of years.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

LOL

because earlier LS were paragons of soul and character

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

'proper'? who made you the arbiter of what styling is proper?

SW17LS

Exactly! I've had three, I wouldn't even say my LS460 has "character". It's a great car and I enjoy it, but "character"? No. my GS on the other hand...