Bob Lutz on Tesla
Let's not discount the fact that an article that says "Prius, as a model, is not a money maker, but pays off for Toyota in marketing." doesn't sell magazines. They don't print columns by him to put forth generic, strictly fact-based pieces. They put him in there to be controversial.
Magazines sales are generally limited today more by the Internet, and by things being on-line, rather than by who they choose for the articles.
Since when is Tesla full of inventory? The model X wait time is like 2 years out for anyone who places an order now. And I thought the Model S was built to order. Also he is wrong about the retail stores. The service bays are located in another place while Tesla still has their mall storefronts with low overhead to just display two cars, options, colors, and gain general interest in the brand.
I remember, reading Lee Iacocca's book (which is part of my automotive library) that, while paying at least some lip service to it, he clearly understated Chrysler's huge quality problems of the late 70s and 1980s. I owned some of those POS's myself.....enough to finally dump American-designed cars and switch to Mazda. Since then, of course, Detroit is finally doing some respectable products again.....some of which are rebadged world-platforms.
Originally Posted by SW15LS
ZOOM! That's the sound of the point he was making going over your head.
And the point didn't go over my head. I understood the point the poster was trying to make.....about the magazine using Lutz for controversial articles. I simply don't agree with that point.
tesla still loses money faster than a drunk in a casino but is somehow still a 'darling'...
they're a pioneer, but most pioneers end up with arrows in their back.
i think other big auto companies will soon eat tesla's lunch with similar/better functions, a much bigger dealer network, and potentially better prices.
i predict tesla will eventually be acquired for patents.
they're a pioneer, but most pioneers end up with arrows in their back.
i think other big auto companies will soon eat tesla's lunch with similar/better functions, a much bigger dealer network, and potentially better prices.
i predict tesla will eventually be acquired for patents.
tesla still loses money faster than a drunk in a casino but is somehow still a 'darling'...
they're a pioneer, but most pioneers end up with arrows in their back.
i think other big auto companies will soon eat tesla's lunch with similar/better functions, a much bigger dealer network, and potentially better prices.
i predict tesla will eventually be acquired for patents.
they're a pioneer, but most pioneers end up with arrows in their back.
i think other big auto companies will soon eat tesla's lunch with similar/better functions, a much bigger dealer network, and potentially better prices.
i predict tesla will eventually be acquired for patents.
I think that right now Tesla is the industry's favorite whipping boy...will they be around in 10 years? Hard to say.
BUT, the industry is better and will be better for their existence. Nothing wrong with an outsider coming in and shaking things up.
Even if they don't survive, the fact that someone can come in and sell an EV and have it be that mainstream, people here comparing the LS to a Tesla and the fact that the Tesla isn't a conventionally fueled vehicle doesn't really even enter into the discussion means a lot for the future.
Why do you think the LF-FC concept is a fuel cell concept? Why do you think Audi is exploring EVs? Because of Tesla.
I think the industry and consumers and enthusiasts of cars need to think of that before they hit Tesla with the flogger...
BUT, the industry is better and will be better for their existence. Nothing wrong with an outsider coming in and shaking things up.
Even if they don't survive, the fact that someone can come in and sell an EV and have it be that mainstream, people here comparing the LS to a Tesla and the fact that the Tesla isn't a conventionally fueled vehicle doesn't really even enter into the discussion means a lot for the future.
Why do you think the LF-FC concept is a fuel cell concept? Why do you think Audi is exploring EVs? Because of Tesla.
I think the industry and consumers and enthusiasts of cars need to think of that before they hit Tesla with the flogger...
i think other big auto companies will soon eat tesla's lunch with similar/better functions, a much bigger dealer network, and potentially better prices.
i predict tesla will eventually be acquired for patents.
I think that right now Tesla is the industry's favorite whipping boy...will they be around in 10 years? Hard to say.
BUT, the industry is better and will be better for their existence. Nothing wrong with an outsider coming in and shaking things up.
Even if they don't survive, the fact that someone can come in and sell an EV and have it be that mainstream, people here comparing the LS to a Tesla and the fact that the Tesla isn't a conventionally fueled vehicle doesn't really even enter into the discussion means a lot for the future.
Why do you think the LF-FC concept is a fuel cell concept? Why do you think Audi is exploring EVs? Because of Tesla.
I think the industry and consumers and enthusiasts of cars need to think of that before they hit Tesla with the flogger...
BUT, the industry is better and will be better for their existence. Nothing wrong with an outsider coming in and shaking things up.
Even if they don't survive, the fact that someone can come in and sell an EV and have it be that mainstream, people here comparing the LS to a Tesla and the fact that the Tesla isn't a conventionally fueled vehicle doesn't really even enter into the discussion means a lot for the future.
Why do you think the LF-FC concept is a fuel cell concept? Why do you think Audi is exploring EVs? Because of Tesla.
I think the industry and consumers and enthusiasts of cars need to think of that before they hit Tesla with the flogger...
Originally Posted by SW15LS
I think that right now Tesla is the industry's favorite whipping boy
Here is why I think Bob Putz has it wrong.
Tesla is really a tech company. For folks who don't live in our world, it goes like this. Create something novel and offer it at a premium to early adopters. Follow up with higher volume stuff and get to break even, then evolve to other spaces and count the cash.
For Tesla, the sports car was the first thing to see if there was interest and there was. The model S is really the novel product. You can see that even with cheap gas, rich folks are buying these cars. The Model X will bring some volume. Once they get the 3 in the market, there should be no problem with viability. Then they do a crazy halo sports car and a pick up truck and voila, a real company that can self sustain.
Tesla is really a tech company. For folks who don't live in our world, it goes like this. Create something novel and offer it at a premium to early adopters. Follow up with higher volume stuff and get to break even, then evolve to other spaces and count the cash.
For Tesla, the sports car was the first thing to see if there was interest and there was. The model S is really the novel product. You can see that even with cheap gas, rich folks are buying these cars. The Model X will bring some volume. Once they get the 3 in the market, there should be no problem with viability. Then they do a crazy halo sports car and a pick up truck and voila, a real company that can self sustain.














