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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SW15LS
Is there going to be an E400 sedan in the US?
I don't know why it is not offered in the U.S.(yet ?). We have E400 4matic sedan available in Canada, which can be ordered with the comfort package with the traditional sedan grill. You cannot get that grill for E43 and E63s, but I probably don't care, I do not need every car with 500+hp, particularly with a sedan. We also have swb S450 and S560 available in Canada.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gojirra99
I don't know why it is not offered in the U.S.(yet ?). We have E400 4matic sedan available in Canada, which can be ordered with the comfort package with the traditional sedan grill. You cannot get that grill for E43 and E63s, but I probably don't care, I do not need every car with 500+hp, particularly with a sedan. We also have swb S450 and S560 available in Canada.
Yeah its a little odd that the E400 is not available in the US but can be had in Canada. Usually it is the other way around. In the US the E400 coupe can be had in 2wd and 4wd but in Canada only 4wd is available. Very strange packaging.

As for the SWB S-class in the US. I think the CAFE regulations has something to do with it. Wheelbase and actually physical footprint has an influence on the CAFE calculation. Perhaps that is why there is no E400

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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SW15LS
Is there going to be an E400 sedan in the US?
Yes.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2018-me...peed-for-c300/

Launching the new W213-generation E-class with a four-cylinder E300 as the only non-AMG model was a risky move on Mercedes-Benz’s part, so Mercedes is hedging its bets for the the E’s second model year by adding a six-cylinder E400 to the sedan lineup. This new variant matches the E400 coupe, convertible, and wagon variants launched recently, with the 329-hp E400 slotting in just below the 396-hp AMG E43, which has a higher-output version of the E400’s 3.0-liter twin-turbo V-6.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 07:21 AM
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That's great news...only way I would ever consider the car. I knew the coupe had a 400 model.

It's a great car, biggest drawback was the 4cyl.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Gojirra99
I do not need every car with 500+hp, particularly with a sedan.
True. Nobody NEEDS a car with 500 HP. In this class, it is more about wants and status than actual needs.

I don't know why it is not offered in the U.S.(yet ?)
(E400)

Just a guess on my part (not necessarily fact)...but offering turbo 2.0L fours instead of N/A V6s is becoming common practice now (that's one reason why I ordered the Lacrosse's N/A V6 while it was still available). CAFE rules in the U.S. are forcing the downsizing of a number of engines, and the E-class already has the relatively slow-selling AMG version, which probably does not impact as much on their corporate MPG-average as a better-selling V6 to the masses would. The E400 coupe, if it does come to the U.S., would probably not sell in as high a numbers as a sedan would. Anyhow, that's just my guess...not necessarily fact.

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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Just a guess on my part (not necessarily fact)...but offering turbo 2.0L fours instead of N/A V6s is becoming common practice now (that's one reason why I ordered the Lacrosse's N/A V6 while it was still available). t.
Your new Buick has active grille shutters and undefeatable start/stop tech. So Buick is offsetting a few things to address CAFE concerns.

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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
You new Buick has active grille shutters and undefeatable start/stop tech. So Buick is offsetting a few things to address CAFE concerns.
So do MB models
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 02:36 PM
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as far as I know, the active grill shutter is still only available on the C class luxury grill and not any other model at least in the US
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Your new Buick has active grille shutters and undefeatable start/stop tech. So Buick is offsetting a few things to address CAFE concerns.
The start/stop system IS defeatable....where conditions allow, a 1-2 MPH "stop". It also occurs only when several conditions are met....engine temperature warm, low demand on the climate-control, and a minimum of other accessories in use.

I will hand it to the engineers, though...with the V6 and the new 9-speed transmission both having been designed for the start/stop system, the system operates as seamlessly as a con-artist. It also has a system that is supposed to help save wear on the starter.

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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The start/stop IS defeatable....where conditions allow, a 1-2 MPH stop.
Sounds more like cheating the system Vs defeating. Mercedes (not sure if all) can be turned on or off.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RXSF
as far as I know, the active grill shutter is still only available on the C class luxury grill and not any other model at least in the US
I suspect we will see it on more M-B products in the future...especially with larger engines.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Sounds more like cheating the system Vs defeating. Mercedes (not sure if all) can be turned on or off.
Oh, it's defintely cheating the system......I mentioned that in my new-car thread. I agree with the other posters, though, that we're probably going to see it on more cars in the future......the engineers are doing everything they can to satisfy the CAFE Man.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Sounds more like cheating the system Vs defeating. Mercedes (not sure if all) can be turned on or off.
We currently have an Audi and BMW and it can be turned off in both of them. I leave if off in both cars. Just a personal preference.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SW15LS
It's a great car, biggest drawback was the 4cyl.
Have you driven one? It's very smooth.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Have you driven one? It's very smooth.
Yeah I have driven it. It's smooth for a 4 cyl, but it still feels like a 4 cyl under load, and it also feels strained. I have no doubt the 6 cyl will make a huge impact.

I'm just not interested in a 4 cyl, certainly not in a luxury product.
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