2018 Toyota C-HR to debut for North America in L.A. Auto Show
03-02-16, 01:09 PM
#31
likely too expensive for hybrid, Toyota USA likes their cars spaced price wise... Quite possibly this could have 1.8l in USA as well, not 2.0l.
03-02-16, 01:24 PM
#32
Content is variable by selling region, so Toyota Safety Sense may not be standard in the U.S., etc. Pricing can't be too out of line with the likes of the HR-V, CX-3, Renegade, 500x etc. Toyota knows this. They price to the market they're in. HR-V starts nearly 3-4K under the CR-V. Although Honda's HR-V starting price did shock a lot of people with how low it was, which is part of the contributor to the success of the model here in the States. CX-3 is only $1,800 or so below the CX-5. So
It will not be significantly cheaper than rav4, since this is essentially same class vehicle with smaller overhangs... so it costs similarly to build, there is no savings there since it is not Yaris based. All this exterior metal and glass is likely a lot more expensive to build than Rav4's much simpler lines.
On the other hand, HR-V is based on Fit built in same factory in Mexico as Fit... this is based on same platform as future Rav4 and built in Japan.
It will not be HR-V competitor and Toyota is not looking at it as big sales item for the USA, since it is obviously a premium Toyota while Americans like their cheapo. I think they will be surprised because they can sell this car at premium price. Just dont strip it for USA and limit its option so not to compete with other vehicles, for instance Lexus. In reality, who would buy CT200h if C-HR Hybrid was at same price?
I just learned that European model will also have standard full LED headlights at front as well.. this car wont be cheap. This is not the case with its competition like Tucson, Sportage and most importantly Qashqai, which all have base strip versions. C-HR will likely have similar pricing to them but without base versions.
03-02-16, 02:35 PM
#33
It might have same pricing as base Rav4, but more equipment actually and sell as sporty take on Rav4, which basically it is. Heck, it might end up being 25k-26k to start with.
It will not be significantly cheaper than rav4, since this is essentially same class vehicle with smaller overhangs... so it costs similarly to build, there is no savings there since it is not Yaris based. All this exterior metal and glass is likely a lot more expensive to build than Rav4's much simpler lines.
On the other hand, HR-V is based on Fit built in same factory in Mexico as Fit... this is based on same platform as future Rav4 and built in Japan.
It will not be HR-V competitor and Toyota is not looking at it as big sales item for the USA, since it is obviously a premium Toyota while Americans like their cheapo. I think they will be surprised because they can sell this car at premium price. Just dont strip it for USA and limit its option so not to compete with other vehicles, for instance Lexus. In reality, who would buy CT200h if C-HR Hybrid was at same price?
I just learned that European model will also have standard full LED headlights at front as well.. this car wont be cheap. This is not the case with its competition like Tucson, Sportage and most importantly Qashqai, which all have base strip versions. C-HR will likely have similar pricing to them but without base versions.
It will not be significantly cheaper than rav4, since this is essentially same class vehicle with smaller overhangs... so it costs similarly to build, there is no savings there since it is not Yaris based. All this exterior metal and glass is likely a lot more expensive to build than Rav4's much simpler lines.
On the other hand, HR-V is based on Fit built in same factory in Mexico as Fit... this is based on same platform as future Rav4 and built in Japan.
It will not be HR-V competitor and Toyota is not looking at it as big sales item for the USA, since it is obviously a premium Toyota while Americans like their cheapo. I think they will be surprised because they can sell this car at premium price. Just dont strip it for USA and limit its option so not to compete with other vehicles, for instance Lexus. In reality, who would buy CT200h if C-HR Hybrid was at same price?
I just learned that European model will also have standard full LED headlights at front as well.. this car wont be cheap. This is not the case with its competition like Tucson, Sportage and most importantly Qashqai, which all have base strip versions. C-HR will likely have similar pricing to them but without base versions.
You're speculating that it has similar costs to build as a RAV4. No doubt the sheetmetal is much more expressive than the RAV4, but after initial tooling, that really doesn't impact per unit costs all that much. Additionally, this is supposed to leverage the TNGA program, which should ideally help mitigate a lot of costs across all of the various programs that utilize it, so there could be economies of scale.
You seem to be wrong on dimensions again, you tried to state before that the Kia Niro was as large/larger than Sportage, and that was refuted. Per Car & Driver, the C-HR is roughly 10 inches shorter than the RAV, 2 inches narrower and 4 inches lower. which would put it squarely against the HR-V at ~170 inches in length. It's still larger than the Juke though, which so is the HR-V. So tell me, how is this not intended to be an HR-V and Subcompact Utility segment competitor in the U.S. market?
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08-10-16, 04:07 PM
#36
They haven't put it on their upcoming/future vehicle section yet, but that's probably because they're trying to sell as many RAV4's as possible until it comes out.
08-13-16, 12:44 PM
#40
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08-13-16, 12:51 PM
#41
I didn't realise how much competition Toyota is up against in this segment. Almost every brand has one. The average model has about 200 hp or so. If you look at the MB GLA, Infiniti QX30 and others. Yes those would be Lexus competition, but it is the same category. Plus it seems the CUV have a ground clearance of 7" or more, which is actually more than a RAV4. Which comes in handy for Montreal winters.
09-25-16, 09:26 PM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
That was the main reason that the Fit (known as the Honda Jazz in other markets) was first introduced here to the U.S. Over the years, the Civic had grown to the size where it could no longer (by Honda standards) be considered an entry-level car. The Fit had to essentially take the Civic's former place....undercutting the latest one(s).
It's also basically the same reason we got the Nissan Versa here......the Sentra's growing up over the years.
The HR-V simply doesn't have the drivetrain or the nice road manners of the CR-V. It is also smaller inside, more cramped, has a more confusing control layout (especially on the EX version), and IMO, has a much less-comfortable drivers' seat. The CR-V has developed he enormous following it has for a reason.
It's also basically the same reason we got the Nissan Versa here......the Sentra's growing up over the years.
i see some hr-v's around here, but nothing like the zillion cr-v's.!
09-29-16, 11:17 PM
#44
I saw somewhere that there won't be a diesel version.
It is also up against the Hyundai Tucson. Which starts at C$24399.
I still can't wait to see it in person and compare it to the newer Subaru Crosstrek.
It is also up against the Hyundai Tucson. Which starts at C$24399.
I still can't wait to see it in person and compare it to the newer Subaru Crosstrek.
Last edited by JessePS; 09-30-16 at 03:01 AM.
09-30-16, 07:30 AM
#45
Pole Position
Gosh I hope it will have a bit more power than the non US versions and will not use the Corolla 1.8L. Don't mind the hybrid but at least give it some guts for the non-hybrid version. Maybe a 1.5t engine or something.