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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 09:28 AM
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Like I said to Skylar978...compare the two of them on a test-drive, if you have not already done so. I wasn't necessarily talking about the hybrid versions, but the bread-and-butter ones that rack up the most sales. I think most people, in general, will find the RX considerably quieter, smoother, and more refined than the NX. That's not to say the NX is a bad design or a bad vehicle...it's not. But it simply doesn't ride and drive like an RX. There is a reason why the RX costs more.
I have read some of the reviews from Car & Driver, Road and Track, MT etc etc. None of the reviews complain about the refinement of the NX.
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No.....not even close. They may have the same general exterior shape (spindle-grille and all LOL)....and similar-looking dashes, but that is where the similarity ends. Test drive the two of them, and IMO you will notice a significant difference in refinement, ride comfort, noise-control, and a general sense of being in a luxury-class vehicle. The NX is not a bad vehicle by any means, but IMO it drives more like a Toyota than a Lexus....devoid of some sound insulation and refinement.

(I have done full-reviews on both vehicles, so I am just communicating what I myself found).
I have driven the '16 RX, but not the NX. Although I have not driven the NX, I am not denying it is a completely different car in terms of comfort, refinement, maybe even options. What I was saying is that it is an annoyance I find in owners of an NX (or similar "Baby" versions of cars in general). It does not irk me that they are similar in styling, it is annoying to me when a (particular) NX owner pulls up to you thinking they have gotten a good deal on a car that is just a "Mr. Me Too" version of an RX. People will generally feel like their NX is equal (or even greater than) to an RX. I was looking at it from a psychological view

I agree with your points though about the NX being, in laymen term, Cheaper.

I would never ever buy a stepped down version of another car. It just does not make any sense at all..
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I have read some of the reviews from Car & Driver, Road and Track, MT etc etc. None of the reviews complain about the refinement of the NX.
Its not unrefined, but he RX is more refined and feels more premium, which it is.
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 10:38 AM
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I have driven the '16 RX, but not the NX. Although I have not driven the NX, I am not denying it is a completely different car in terms of comfort, refinement, maybe even options. What I was saying is that it is an annoyance I find in owners of an NX (or similar "Baby" versions of cars in general). It does not irk me that they are similar in styling, it is annoying to me when a (particular) NX owner pulls up to you thinking they have gotten a good deal on a car that is just a "Mr. Me Too" version of an RX. People will generally feel like their NX is equal (or even greater than) to an RX. I was looking at it from a psychological view

I agree with your points though about the NX being, in laymen term, Cheaper.

I would never ever buy a stepped down version of another car. It just does not make any sense at all..
Both are equally good vehicles for different segment, generation of buyers, and price points. Personally I find the idea of a turbo I4 more interesting to drive than a V6 that has been around forever.

I would argue that the NX is easier to live with on a daily basis and the front end looks better than the NX (but still not good looking).

I doubt the person in the NX really cares about the RX when they pull up at a stop light.
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Originally Posted by Skylar978
What I was saying is that it is an annoyance I find in owners of an NX (or similar "Baby" versions of cars in general). It does not irk me that they are similar in styling, it is annoying to me when a (particular) NX owner pulls up to you thinking they have gotten a good deal on a car that is just a "Mr. Me Too" version of an RX. People will generally feel like their NX is equal (or even greater than) to an RX. I was looking at it from a psychological view

I agree with your points though about the NX being, in laymen term, Cheaper.

I would never ever buy a stepped down version of another car. It just does not make any sense at all..
Stupid statement.

Some people - like me for one, don't want or need the big fat RX and like something smaller + (somewhat) sportier + better handling.

It's not about it being a "baby RX".
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Stupid statement.

Some people - like me for one, don't want or need the big fat RX and like something smaller + (somewhat) sportier + better handling.

It's not about it being a "baby RX".
Exactly spot on.
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Both are equally good vehicles for different segment, generation of buyers, and price points. Personally I find the idea of a turbo I4 more interesting to drive than a V6 that has been around forever.

I would argue that the NX is easier to live with on a daily basis and the front end looks better than the NX (but still not good looking).

I doubt the person in the NX really cares about the RX when they pull up at a stop light.
I guess you are not reading my posts, but rather looking at a specific sentence in general within my post.

If you enjoy the NX powerplant, or car overall- More power to you..
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Originally Posted by bagwell
Stupid statement.

Some people - like me for one, don't want or need the big fat RX and like something smaller + (somewhat) sportier + better handling.

It's not about it being a "baby RX".

What part of (Particular) NX owner did you not understand? Reading comprehension..
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Bagwell-

Since we are on the subject.. If you do not "need" a "big fat RX", why not get an is, or gs? You claim you wanted a smaller car, and somewhat sportier car, Something with better handling. If that is your criteria, you are looking at the wrong type of vehicle.
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No comparison in refinement or even power between the Lexus 2.0T vs the V6. Remember the V6 in the RX is updated, its not exactly the same V6. The only reason someone in the US would choose the 2.0T over a V6 is because of cost. Both being equal cost, there wouldn't really be any reason to choose the turbo I4.

Thats one thing I think Lexus needs to embrace, the idea that their consumer doesn't always want the bigger car. Their pricing seems to suggest that makes them uncomfortable, but its okay for an NX to be optioned up to where it equals what a lower optioned RX would be, because consumers don't always want the bigger vehicle. If you want examples of that look at BMW and MB.
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 11:25 AM
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Bagwell-

Since we are on the subject.. If you do not "need" a "big fat RX", why not get an is, or gs? You claim you wanted a smaller car, and somewhat sportier car, Something with better handling. If that is your criteria, you are looking at the wrong type of vehicle.
Rear hatch space, new design, newer engine at the time of intro. Higher ride height when looking down the road.
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Rear hatch space, new design, newer engine at the time of intro. Higher ride height when looking down the road.

Rear hatch space is not that different from an RX to be honest. If those are things you want, the RX is not a "huge" car compared to the NX.

RX has a larger, more powerful motor

RX definitely sounds like a clear winner overall compared to the NX

Sorry for being blunt
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No comparison in refinement or even power between the Lexus 2.0T vs the V6. Remember the V6 in the RX is updated, its not exactly the same V6. The only reason someone in the US would choose the 2.0T over a V6 is because of cost. Both being equal cost, there wouldn't really be any reason to choose the turbo I4.

Thats one thing I think Lexus needs to embrace, the idea that their consumer doesn't always want the bigger car. Their pricing seems to suggest that makes them uncomfortable, but its okay for an NX to be optioned up to where it equals what a lower optioned RX would be, because consumers don't always want the bigger vehicle. If you want examples of that look at BMW and MB.

This is mostly what I am trying to convey, but I guess I am coming off as if the RX is a better car than the NX (Which to me, it is). I just personally dont see a need for the NX platform as I have stated.. Besides market sharing
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Skylar978
Rear hatch space is not that different from an RX to be honest. If those are things you want, the RX is not a "huge" car compared to the NX.

RX has a larger, more powerful motor

RX definitely sounds like a clear winner overall compared to the NX

Sorry for being blunt
That might be the case, but the RX is still a bigger and heavier vehicle to live with.

I will agree that the different price points and where they start is what gets the sale done in the majority of cases. But both have their pros and cons and for a different generation of owner.
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Originally Posted by Skylar978
This is mostly what I am trying to convey, but I guess I am coming off as if the RX is a better car than the NX (Which to me, it is). I just personally dont see a need for the NX platform as I have stated.. Besides market sharing
The market for small luxury SUVs is significant, and that market is continuing to grow. Seeing that they're selling 3k+ NX's a month without a corresponding drop in RX sales I would say the evidence as to the demand for that vehicle is clear. It lets them make the RX bigger and more upmarket too.

People said the same thing about the IS too when it came out.

The NX is significantly zippier and more fun to drive than the RX, I can totally see why somebody would buy one.
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