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Old 05-26-15, 11:19 AM
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A very long read, but what I have read is pretty damn good.






But lap times aren't relevant when you're looking for fun. The FR-S may be the slowest, but we always grabbed its keys first. Pinto: "I really like the Mustang, but when there are smaller cars around, I'm going to play with the smaller cars. Although the Scion's engine is torqueless, noisy, and joyless, the seating position is stellar, the cowl is low, and the shifter is the best of the group by a large margin." The FR-S requires more of the driver, but it returns the favor by giving back more satisfaction.

If the Scion is an example of a car that does more with less, the BMW is an example of how to do less with moreómore grip, more speed, but less finesse and far less entertainment. And the Mustang? It's just an American glutton: more size, more weight, more better. Then again, the GT's 5.0-liter V-8 does even more with even more. The 2.3-liter EcoBoost is fine on paper, but when you factor in real-world fuel economy (we saw 13 mpg overall, the worst of the bunch), you'd have to be insane not to buy the V-8, especially since the four, as Prince points out, "has the aural appeal of an unmuffled 1980s Volvo turbodiesel."

On paper, the Scion needs more power. In practice, it needs no such thing. It's fast enough to keep you interested and balanced enough to steer with the rear wheels. Best of all, it spurs you to use everything it's got, on the road and around a track.




http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...st-scion-fr-s/
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read the article the other day and R&T said the ecoboost mustang feels more BMW than the BMW
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I've read other articles bashing the new 2 series BMW as well, saying it handles like an elephant.
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In a nut shell

Scion is the best driver
BMW is plush but clumsy
Mustang is entertaining but 'extra(s)' takes its toll
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As an owner of a BRZ - I like the result

Honestly these 3 cars are very different imo - i think 228i is very fun to drive and I have driven it at Autocross events several times, not sure why R&T didnt like it. I would even consider getting it but i hate how it looks especially interior wise.
There are many great/positive reviews of the M235i and the 228i with Track Package.

Mustang is much bigger and heavier than the other 2.
I have only driven it on the roads but it is pretty soft compared to BRZ/2series.
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The article seems so British that I thought I was reading CAR or Top Gear. Glad they took these cars through the paces instead of a dull track-only test.
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Never thought I'd see the terms "2.3-Liter" and "13 mpg overall" in the same sentence. To put that in perspective, the E90 M3 with its 4.0L V8 gets 14 mpg in town and 7 mpg wailing away at 8,400 rpm on the track.
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turbo cars do not make good mpg when boosting all the time
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13 MPG on the eco boost. WTF?

I've driven the ford escape w/ the ecoboost turbo engine as a rental for a day. zippy car no doubt. but It returned similar MPG with me driving just on the NJ turnpike for 100 miles.

give me the 5.0 V8 Mustang any day
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well it was 13mpg driven hard, when driven normally the EB makes better mpg than the V8. Thing is turbo engines have to be driven perfect, even moreso than an NA, to get good mpg.
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