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Old 05-10-15, 07:32 PM
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Toyota Motor Corp and Mazda Motor Corp are in talks to expand their technology partnership to fuel-cell vehicles (FCVs), sources said on Saturday, as global automakers face rising costs to comply with stricter emission regulations.

The two Japanese automakers already have a technology and production tie-up, and Toyota was now considering providing fuel-cell and plug-in-hybrid technology to Mazda, said the two sources, who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

Mazda, in return, was considering offering its partner fuel-efficient gasoline and diesel engine technology under its proprietary SkyActiv series, the sources said.

Mazda has been trying to develop FCVs on its own, but it has decided to team up with Toyota, which produces the Mirai, the world's only mass-market fuel-cell car, the sources said.

Toyota has said hydrogen FCVs offer the most promising zero-emission alternative to conventional cars since they have a similar driving range and refueling time.

Toyota has already decided to share some of its patents concerning fuel cell technology for free, hoping this will speed up the development of the infrastructure.

The Nikkei business daily reported the two companies intended to reach an agreement on the partnership soon.

Toyota and Mazda officials said nothing has been decided.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-toy...#ixzz3ZnFN8Qdo
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Mazda has been trying to develop FCVs on its own, but it has decided to team up with Toyota, which produces the Mirai, the world's only mass-market fuel-cell car, the sources said.

Toyota has said hydrogen FCVs offer the most promising zero-emission alternative to conventional cars since they have a similar driving range and refueling time.

Toyota has already decided to share some of its patents concerning fuel cell technology for free, hoping this will speed up the development of the infrastructure.
The real problem with fuel-cell cars that, outside of CA, very little has been done nationwide to provide an infrastructure for them. They need stations that can provide compressed hydrogen...until a reasonable network of these stations is provided, why should the industry waste time and resources building vehicles that can't practically be refilled in most areas?
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The real problem with fuel-cell cars that, outside of CA, very little has been done nationwide to provide an infrastructure for them. They need stations that can provide compressed hydrogen...until a reasonable network of these stations is provided, why should the industry waste time and resources building vehicles that can't practically be refilled in most areas?
You are talking about supply but with very little demand, that supply may take a long time to come.

Toyota seems to be hoping that by sharing its FCV patents for free, that it will increase demand, which will put a pressure to increase supply.

Toyota has already decided to share some of its patents concerning fuel cell technology for free, hoping this will speed up the development of the infrastructure.
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Toyota Motor Corp and Mazda Motor Corp are in talks to expand their technology partnership to fuel-cell vehicles (FCVs), sources said on Saturday, as global automakers face rising costs to comply with stricter emission regulations.
The two Japanese automakers already have a technology and production tie-up, and Toyota was now considering providing fuel-cell and plug-in-hybrid technology to Mazda, said the two sources, who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
Mazda, in return, was considering offering its partner fuel-efficient gasoline and diesel engine technology under its proprietary SkyActiv series, the sources said.
Mazda has been trying to develop FCVs on its own, but it has decided to team up with Toyota, which produces the Mirai, the world's only mass-market fuel-cell car, the sources said.
Toyota has said hydrogen FCVs offer the most promising zero-emission alternative to conventional cars since they have a similar driving range and refueling time.
Toyota has already decided to share some of its patents concerning fuel cell technology for free, hoping this will speed up the development of the infrastructure.
The Nikkei business daily reported the two companies intended to reach an agreement on the partnership soon.
Toyota and Mazda officials said nothing has been decided.
I see this as rather one-sided in terms of the sharing of technology. Is there really any Mazda technology that Toyota would want?
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Originally Posted by Sulu
I see this as rather one-sided in terms of the sharing of technology. Is there really any Mazda technology that Toyota would want?
Rotary engines? They still have some problems, and need some more development, but Toyota has the size, money, and resources that Mazda is generally lacking.
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Originally Posted by Sulu
You are talking about supply but with very little demand, that supply may take a long time to come.
Gets back to the age-old line, though, about which came first...chicken or egg? Fuel cell cars obviously need hydrogen-refill stations, but automakers are not likely to ramp up production of these cars until some more infrastructure is available....they aren't going to build vehicles that just sit around with empty tanks.
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Furthering partnership? Does that mean we're getting a reliable Rotary engine sport car?
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Originally Posted by Sulu
I see this as rather one-sided in terms of the sharing of technology. Is there really any Mazda technology that Toyota would want?
Who knows, maybe long term they will share some engines? Toyota is still missing next-gen small diesels for instance, and Mazda is missing turbo engines. I dont see them sharing turbo's, but maybe some future passanger diesels? For trucks and larger SUVs, Toyota just introduced brand new GD series engines.

However, I dont see any of that happening that quickly, since all of them are probably developing missing links right now.. it is hard to believe that Toyota wont introduce new passenger diesels in a next year, just like they did GD last week.

In any case, this reciprocal sharing of tech in PR is usually just a PR, so nobody gets offended.
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This may be a dream but how about a collaboration on a new MR2
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It'd be cool if they could improve the rotary technology and make it decent.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
This may be a dream but how about a collaboration on a new MR2
Was thinking just that when I read the title. OR how bout a Toyota roadster like the Miata?
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Originally Posted by Joey-E
Was thinking just that when I read the title. OR how bout a Toyota roadster like the Miata?
Mazda is doing that with Fiat.

As to current collaborations - basically hybrid engines for Mazda and Scion iA for Toyota. Anything else in the future and not yet announced/happening.
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