mmarshall

Maybe the same thing as Lincoln with fully-optioned, top-level, 60K MDX's. LOL

BTW, the Lincoln reps said the Continental would start in the same general range as the CT6 (about $53,500, if my memory is correct)...but said that the pricing wasn't finalized yet.

SW17LS

Topping out in the $60s nowadays isn't that big a deal, but the 90s?!? Cadillac is way overreaching here, the core of the vehicle and then interior doesn't support that. They can sell that car all day long for $70k

mmarshall

Remember when I reviewed the new MDX a few months ago (it was a top-level version with almost every available option) that listed for 60K? A number of responses from CL just went on and on about that 60K price, even though I pointed out numerous times that base FWD versions started in the low 40s. In fact, Lincoln had a nice MDX at the show yesterday for 53K....you might have seen it.

I'd say a lot of XLS owners might be tempted to trade, except that, at least from what I've seen, not that many XTS models were sold in the first place.

SW17LS

You mean the Lincoln MKS.

I don't have an issue with them being $60k because $60k isn't what it used to be, its just that vehicle doesn't have an interior commensurate for a $60k price tag. Inside it feels like a $45,000 car.

Cadillac makes a nice enough interior to sell a car for $60k.

IThe XTS has sold pretty well, Volume has been 20k units plus. Lots of fleet and livery sales.

If Cadillac is smart they will offer no fleet discounts for the CT6.

Toys4RJill

I read it as CT6 for the price of IS and size of GS. Didn't see the ES.

mmarshall

No. I meant the MKX.......Lincoln's mid-sized car-based SUV. There was a nice one at the show for 53K, and the one I reviewed a few months ago that listed for 60K drew a lot of howls here at the price. (too many howls, IMO...I thought some posters over-reacted, considering that that was the extreme limit, and that most of them would sell for substantially below that). I did not actually review a less-expensive one because it was brand-new and none were then available.


True.....but IMO most of the latest ones I've seen from Lincoln (obviously haven't had a chance to sit in the Continental yet) are adequate competition for not only Caddy but some other brands in tis class.

Among the production interiors I saw yesterday (though not up close) the Cadillac had a lot more wood inside. Some people just don't like wood-trim (I generally tend to like it, myself, especially if it has a nice matte/natural-looking finish). Those who don't like wood, of course, don't like the CT6's interior and prefer the Continental's, though the actual production Continental interior has somewhat more wood than the over-chromed, garish interior on the Concept, which looked like something Detroit would have produced in the late 1950s.

SW17LS

I meant to say MKX not MKS. What's happening to us here? Lol.

I have to disagree about Lincoln interiors. I sat in all of them at the car show yesterday and couldn't believe how cheap they were. Flimsy feeling switchgear, flimsy doors and such, questionable materials. Even the black label editions, completely unimpressive IMHO and not competition for anything from Cadillac or any other legitimate luxury marque. Acura, perhaps.

mmarshall

Relax. We all make typos. We would not be human if we didn't.

I don't totally disagree with you......you do have some points. I agree some of the hardware could be improved...especially those El Cheapo flat-black plastic steering-column paddles for the transmission, which are straight out of the Ford parts-bin. The doors could shut with a little more solidness (I noted that in both my MKC and MKX reviews). But, overall, given today's Lincoln interiors from those of just a few years ago......I sure know which ones I'd rather have.

SW17LS

They're better, but they need to be to the level of the cars they're trying to compete with...

Lexuslvr91

Cadillac is finally thinking stop going by the rules that the Germans have had set for decades. Cadillac is creating their own classes of vehicles. It isn't intended to go head to head with the S-class/7-series although it has enough firepower to do so. It's literally in it's own class there isn't much else to say.

It's common for the human mind to automatically associate and classify objects to make better sense of it. However instead of calling it an S-class competitor simply because of it's size stop and think of what it actually is in the best way possible:

The CT6:
1. Priced at the top of the Midsize class ($55k base vs say $50k for the current 528i.) People keep complaining about price of the top spec CT6 platinum priced around $90k when you can spec a 535i to over $86k...yes 535i not 550i.
2. Lighter than every single midsize vehicle in the class(minus Cadillac's own CTS)
Acura RLX FWD: 3969 lbs
Audi A6 2.0T FWD: 3803 lbs
BMW 528i RWD: 3814 lbs
Cadillac CT6: 3657 lbs
Cadillac CTS: 3646 lbs
Genesis G80: 4138 lbs
Jaguar XF 3.0: 3770 lbs
Lexus GS200t: 3805 lbs
MB E350 RWD: 4001 lbs
Volvo S90 T5 FWD: 4012 lbs
3. Offers the dynamics of a sporty midsize with the solidity of a fullsize bank vault
4. Offers the interior space of a fullsize not to mention the presence
5. Offers an interior that's far beyond the midsize competition, so far in fact that it people are actually confusing this car of competing directly with the S-class even though it begins at nearly half the price and maxes out before you even step foot to the S-classes BASE price.
6. Isn't even Cadillac's flagship. Read all about it. Cadillac's future flagship will be larger than the CT6 as well a the S/7/A8/XJ/LS

This is the CT6. So big and good that people associate it with the best Cadillac can do. At this point all you can do is ask what do people expect.

Lexuslvr91

But why? The ATS and CTS are currently at the level of the intended competition and look at them. This is Cadillac's first vehicle that isn't trying to follow the competition but rather create its own class and do what Cadillac can do best.

SW17LS

Have you seen the car in person? I couldn't sit in it but from what I saw in person and what I've seen in pictures I wouldn't consider the interior better than anything in the mid sized class, especially the new E.

I suppose we will see if it sells.

S2000toIS350

The $92K model does have a crap load of features

Not saying I like the look (front lights are terrible) or believe in the product but the overall set of features is interesting

mmarshall

Probably every upscale or flagship sedan in that price range today has a boatload of features. They have to justify that price somehow. That was one of the ways (among several) that VW, several years ago, justified a 90K price for their W12 Phaeton sedan...yet it still didn't catch on in the U.S., notwithstanding the fact that you couldn't get a V12/W12-cylinder vehicle anywhere else for the same price.

BrownPride

I agree with your assessment...as I said the ATS and CTS aren't bad cars but they definitely aren't as good as the press was hyping them up to be. Consumers noticed that, along with the sticker prices, and as a result both vehicles sit on dealership lots for months on end. Go to any Cadillac dealer's website and there will be thousands on the hoods of these cars so technically they are quite a bit cheaper than the competition, but they still do not sell.