GM To Idle ATS & CTS Plant For 3 Weeks; CTS Has 215 Day Supply
08-10-14, 10:40 AM
#61
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08-10-14, 10:43 AM
#62
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Some mag reviews are saying that the new 2015 Genesis is the car that Lincoln should have replaced the TC with. I can't directly comment on that, as haven't reviewed one. But, from what I do know about it, I would tend to agree....it certainly has some nice things about it. I also won't comment much on the NX until I have seen it....but the styling, to me, seems awkward.
08-10-14, 10:49 AM
#63
Lexus Fanatic
At first, I really wasn't very impressed with either the newest MKZ or ES350. But, after some subsequent rides/drives (and, you may remember, I did a subsequent thread on it), I felt that, because of cold-weather-stiff tires/suspension, the ES seemed to ride noticeably better in warm weather. I agree that you would probably find the ES more to your liking. It also has a better dash/console/control set-up than the MKZ, but the MKZ's transmission buttons do admittedly save space.
08-10-14, 10:54 AM
#64
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I was simply responding to your earlier post about reviving the TC name....and that some mags have said a car like the new Genesis may have been a good candidate. But I agree we're all probably spending too much time on other brands, off-topic, since the topic is the current Cadillac ATS and CTS.
08-10-14, 11:07 AM
#65
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I was simply responding to your earlier post about reviving the TC name....and that some mags have said a car like the new Genesis may have been a good candidate. But I agree we're all probably spending too much time on other brands, off-topic, since the topic is the current Cadillac ATS and CTS.
08-10-14, 11:12 AM
#66
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And, even though it takes more than one to tango, I'll finish it.
Back to Cadillac. Several comments here have been made as to the brand not currently selling well. While there are probably several reasons for that, one that may have been overlooked (at least in this thread) is the frustrating CUE system. Many potential buyers go read Consumer Reports first, and CR has panned the system in every new Cadillac they have tested.
08-10-14, 11:15 AM
#67
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The Town Car is dead. Time to get over it.
08-10-14, 11:23 AM
#68
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08-10-14, 11:31 AM
#69
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You bring it up in any thread where Lincoln or Cadillac are mentioned lol. It gets old.
Cadillac is not having trouble selling the ATS and CTS because the DTS is gone. Lincoln is not having trouble selling the MKZ and MKS because the Town Car is gone. In Cadillac's case its pricing being out of whack with perceived brand value. With Lincoln its because of poor execution in regards to the MKS and a totally decimated dealer presence. The Town Car and DTS would not help Lincoln or Cadillac sell the models we're discussing so bringing them up again, and again is just off topic.
The Town Car name is not coming back. The Town Car was a big fat old mans car when I was a kid and my Dad had a Lincoln Continental. I remember people's reactions when he said he bought a Lincoln and him reassuring them it wasn't "the big ugly one". That was 1989!
Same way when he bought his Cadillac STS 5 years later. Everybody laughed at him until they realized it wasn't one of the "big ugly ones". Then he got tired of being laughed at and bought his first Lexus LS.
These brand problems have been around for decades and decades. The Town Car and DTS style car is the reason for that. Big, ugly, attractive to fleets. Those cars made Caddy and Lincoln a joke.
Cadillac is not having trouble selling the ATS and CTS because the DTS is gone. Lincoln is not having trouble selling the MKZ and MKS because the Town Car is gone. In Cadillac's case its pricing being out of whack with perceived brand value. With Lincoln its because of poor execution in regards to the MKS and a totally decimated dealer presence. The Town Car and DTS would not help Lincoln or Cadillac sell the models we're discussing so bringing them up again, and again is just off topic.
The Town Car name is not coming back. The Town Car was a big fat old mans car when I was a kid and my Dad had a Lincoln Continental. I remember people's reactions when he said he bought a Lincoln and him reassuring them it wasn't "the big ugly one". That was 1989!
Same way when he bought his Cadillac STS 5 years later. Everybody laughed at him until they realized it wasn't one of the "big ugly ones". Then he got tired of being laughed at and bought his first Lexus LS.
These brand problems have been around for decades and decades. The Town Car and DTS style car is the reason for that. Big, ugly, attractive to fleets. Those cars made Caddy and Lincoln a joke.
Last edited by SW17LS; 08-10-14 at 11:34 AM.
08-10-14, 12:14 PM
#71
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08-10-14, 12:18 PM
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08-10-14, 12:26 PM
#73
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The last gen was also BOF, RWD, and it had a antiquated engine. A new more modern Town Car would cost a lot of money to make, MSRP would go up, fleet buyers would not purchase them, it would a grand mistake to think a modern day Town Car could work. If taste and trends change, it might work.
08-10-14, 12:37 PM
#74
Lexus Fanatic
On Cadillac's end, they have a great product in the CTS and ATS. They just need to get the pricing set right. They need to present a value as compared to a Lexus, which already presents a value as compared to a BMW, MB or Audi. IMHO the CTS should sticker no higher than $60k, and the ATS should venture no higher than $45k.
08-10-14, 12:40 PM
#75
Lexus Fanatic
I always thought the 95-03 STS models were the best Cadillac has ever come to making a true Lexus competitor. THEN the terrible last gen STS came to market and Cadillac was laughed at once again.