SW17LS

I'm interested to know why, is it the V6? I'm a long time LS lover and owner too and the only impediment for me is the V6.

mikesrx350

interesting thread, of course styling is subjective so i will leave beauty to each his own. my own thoughts are kind of the same i felt when they released the new rx. it seems lexus is trying to change their appeal to the demographic instead of concentrating on what has made them admired subtle beauty.
this spindle grill is getting ridiculous in lexus using it how does it get past focus groups?
all this panning the powertrain, wait for the reviews and the test drives, lexus wouldnt jeopardize the brand with the ls with a powertrain like the gs200 or is200 that has lag, is not powerful enough or doesn't have the reliability.
overall the car has a futuristic pretty shape and i commend them for taking the necessary steps to differentiate from the new 7 and the new s550 with the interior.
moving into the 2018 year, i have to believe there has to be a hydrogen car being released in the next three years the answer is not the turbo 6 for a combined 23mpg if it has a spirited driver. lexus has more up its sleeve. in the meantime let the car go thru its public entrance instead of these rants about the v8
i have had the ls 400 and ls430 and loved the v8 the reality is like my discussion on the gs350 the 3.5 v6 non turbo is not meeting the efficieny standards of the germans.
unless someone has a huge back seat desire. i know this will cause a stir with all the rhetoric to come.
but a lease 2017 bmw 540 with rear wheel steering and the 3.0 liter inline 6 turbo for 58k just looks to appealing to step up to the 7 the s or this car.
wouldnt buy a cpo or buy one but leasing and handing it back thats the car that has the design, the comfort , the performance and the bang for the buck right now
sorry lexus your fumbling. its time someone in the family is shaken a bit and maybe the shake up will finally awaken the company that has been sleeping for 10 years acura.
wow

blacksc400

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Yes, mainly the V6TT, I won't settle anything less than a V8TT. Actually I am more interested in S63, or M760Li, but a good new LS could get me back to Lexus because

the 'love' factor. However, I can't stand a little V6 under the hood.

I can understand why Lexus is doing it, but at least offer big engines for people to choose from.

Another thing is, the overall shape reminds me an Infiniti M56, which is not exactly a flagship car.

All previous LS were love on the first look, and I can drool over the pictures for hours, but I can't do it with the new one.

SW17LS

I can dig it, I feel the same way.

UDel

The more I look at it and read about specs I just don't care for it. It leaves me no desire to buy it or really want one, the S class does even though I think it is way too expensive but this LS leave me kind of cold. The interior is a big disappointment, it does not seem like a flagship or S class competitor interior but something much lower end, it just seems kind of plain in some areas like the dash and then over styled in other areas like with the wood trim and around the gauges/instrument cluster, I don't like the instrument cluster at all. I like both versions of the LS460 interior more even though it may not be as swoopy or have as nice materials, it still looks more upscale to me.

The one thing I do like is the passenger seems to get their own screen, this is something I think should be on more luxury cars where the passenger can get a screen canted toward them or facing them in front of them where they can watch movies, go online, play games, etc and not distract the driver or use the main driver screen, if it is capable do doing that then that is impressive to me. The tt V6 replacing the V8 is disappointing but BMW and Audi also now have 6 cylinders standard in their flagships too.

The exterior is hard to gauge, looks okay from some angles but something is off from other angles, has more of a Maxima look but longer and with a production ride height it may end up very odd looking.

I just don't see anything about this new LS that would justify a rumored 90K price or almost 20K jump above the current standard price, from what I am seeing I don't think the base price should even change much from the current one considering you are now getting a 6 cyl instead of a V8, if this is priced at or around 90K I think it is going to be a very low seller along with the LC500.

JDR76

As far as pricing is concerned, I would assume it'll be priced to compete with the segment. The 740i starts around $82k I think. The 6 cylinder A8 is about $84k to start. I'm not sure how much the S450 is going to cost.

Hoovey689

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True they do underrate their engines but if 320hp and 332lbft is pretty much true WHP, then flywheel still won't be 416hp and 442lbft. Probably more like 360hp.

Agreed they are smooth. Lexus and Toyota aren't strangers to inline sixes, but they do use the V configuration likely for packaging and weight. At least the Lexus will be 3.5L in displacement compared to all the competitors 3.0's. Should help with it be less strained.

I never said V8's aren't important. Very much so. All I said was the 3.5L TTV6 was a good base engine. Not sure why people are worrying so much. A V6 WON'T be the only engine offered on the LS.

G Star

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If I asked you right now, what exactly needs to happen for this Lexus to be "measurably better" in every way over all of those brands, you wouldn't even know how to respond to that because you haven't driven the car, you haven't even seen it in person.

Same goes for a lot of the "piling on" bashing going on in this thread. I see a lot of superficial criticisms and a lot of that appears to be just for the sake of being anti.

I'm not saying we should all praise it based on no merits but at least wait until an actual driving review comes out before going full ape on a car you really have no understanding about.

For now, the only thing we know about it is how it looks and some of its performance and dimensional specs. There is absolutely no way for anyone here to say if it is or isn't "measurably better in every way" than it's competition.

Its almost hysterical in here.



I've also seen some RX owners on CL stirred up in again, a hysterical fashion, over the new RX radical/emotional styling. Just because somebody drives the car of the last generation, doesn't mean they're the same customer to go with the brand in the future. Believe it or not it is difficult for a lot of people to embrace change. You also have those who are going to be naturally peeved that their car isn't the newest model anymore and will actively bring down the new model to make themselves feel better.

The car industry is notorious for focus grouping before and during the design of cars, I don't think a company like Toyota/Lexus would continue to execute on cars with features and design cues that people didn't naturally like, whether consciously or sub-consciously.

How many people bashed the NX here when the concept was first unveiled, then look what happened....

jjscsix

seriously? Why do you think we are actually on the Lexus forum? It's because we are or have been fans of the brand. As I stated in a previous response, I've owned three Lexus, and have one now. I'll bash the LS if I want to. That is not your call.

RNM GS3

Ok i see your points.

I agree with you that this TT V6 looks to be great when you compare it to the competition 6cyl offerings.
Hopefully the IS RC GS and LC will get it soon.

LeX2K

No standard V8 to me is a betrayal of the cars heritage.

rominl

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i just finished browsing the w222 forum on mbworld, i have to wonder what part of mbworld you went. they downright think the new LS is terrible

we share a lot of the same thoughts here. i have been thinking about this for the past day about the new LS. people know i have been with lexus for a very long time, i am on my 8th already.

i am having very mixed feeling about this car. it has more style in certain angles, but at the same time i think it looks too much like some other cars like the XJ. i really want the LS to stay in the boxy large sedan form (s and 7). the front i am just not sure, i get it lexus wants the biggest grille out there and they want the brand to get younger, but i am really not sure if this is the right way to do it. inside is beautiful overall, i don't have much complaints.

the engine is a problem to me (on paper). yes it has over 400 hp, but i am sure the car won't be light and i have to drive it in person to see what the car can deliver. but GIVE PEOPLE OPTION!!!! in today's world, give the flagships v8 (or i should say v8tt). true consumers in this market they have the money and they want to be up there, they are not like 90% of the remaining people who have to think about oh umm how much i can safe if they give me a v6 instead.

i have to be honest, after driving our gl550 with the v8tt, i really feel a little sour when i get back in my gs350. the gs350 is not sluggish at all, it's pretty quick. but you just can't replace that feeling of having a silky smooth and yet extremely powerful engine that hardly have to go over 3000rpm.

mmarshall

I get what you're saying...and I've served on focus panels myself. But the results of focus panels don't always determine what decisions companies actually make. An excellent example......look how long Acura stuck with parrot-beak grilles, when the public clearly didn't care for them, and Acura sales plummeted. It got to the point where Acura dealerships were having to repaint the parrot-beaks body-color just so they could actually deliver new vehicles...otherwise some customers simply weren't accepting them.

I didn't care for it at first, either its looks or road manners, and still don't. But, of course, that doesn't mean that it won't sell. In fact, it is selling pretty well....even without my money LOL.

SW17LS

Heard secondhand that feedback on MBWorld was positive, hadn't looked myself. What I had seen that really surprised me was the comments on Jalopnik and Autoblog were as positive as they were, usually they're really hard in Lexus. Haven't looked since yesterday though.

imrankh24

Little do they know the new s class is the most overrated car ever, now esp since every Mercedes looks identical. There's nothing about the s class that is best in class. You can get a class now and there you have a s class at half the price, very uninspired.